Author: Eddie
Date: 17:34:17 09/13/00
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On September 12, 2000 at 23:12:53, pavel wrote: >On September 12, 2000 at 17:11:59, Eddie wrote: > >>On September 12, 2000 at 16:17:01, Dann Corbit wrote: >> >>>On September 12, 2000 at 15:41:29, Eddie wrote: >>>[snip] >>>>Thx Dann, >>>> >>>>LGoliath winning the Four Crowns Division? Is that vers. 29a ? >>> >>>Crafty v17.11 (Eugene Nalimov compiled) >>>Little Goliath Gold Version 2.8 >>> >>>>I'm just >>>>wondering here, cuz Crafty rules over LG here when I match them up ... >>> >>>Crafty has not even played against LG yet. Here are the individual crosstables >>>for those two programs: >>> >>>(1) LGoliath : 24 (+ 14,= 9,- 1), 77.1 % >>> >>>Bringer : 4 (+ 1,= 2,- 1), 50.0 % >>>Francesca : 4 (+ 3,= 1,- 0), 87.5 % >>>SOS : 4 (+ 3,= 1,- 0), 87.5 % >>>Yace : 4 (+ 3,= 1,- 0), 87.5 % >>>ZChess : 4 (+ 4,= 0,- 0), 100.0 % >>>Comet : 4 (+ 0,= 4,- 0), 50.0 % >>> >>> >>>(2) Crafty : 24 (+ 10,= 10,- 4), 62.5 % >>> >>>Amy : 4 (+ 0,= 2,- 2), 25.0 % >>>Gromit2 : 4 (+ 2,= 2,- 0), 75.0 % >>>TCBishop : 4 (+ 2,= 2,- 0), 75.0 % >>>Bringer : 4 (+ 2,= 1,- 1), 62.5 % >>>SOS : 4 (+ 3,= 1,- 0), 87.5 % >>>Comet : 4 (+ 1,= 2,- 1), 50.0 % >>> >>>>seriously Crafty has no problems with LG on my system .... anyway thanks a lot, >>>>just a bit confused as to these results! :)) Take care .... >>> >>>LG 2.8 at long time controls looks very, very strong so far. As you will notice >>>from my original posting, the ELO error is still huge. We are only 1/2 way done >>>with the 4 crown division, so there could still be large shake-ups in the final >>>standings from what we see now. >>> >>>In a single 4 game match, you can see some very strange results. Look how Amy >>>handed crafty its hat. But if I ran one hundred games, I strongly suspect we >>>would see a different result between those two engines. >> >>Dann, >> >>Thanks for this crosstable update! It's very interesting to see these results. >> I think Crafty is playing like a true gentleman, to allow Amy to have a plus 2 >>score, is befuddling <is this a word?> to me .... >> >>Crafty takes this little lady Amy to bed all the time on my system here, the >>little lady, even tho we love her dearly, resigns passionately to Sir Crafty all >>the time! <wink> Like .95% or higher It must just be on my system ..... >> >>Anyway, it looks as if the battles will rage on ..... nothing personal here, >>but if Crafty don't win it all I will be very surprised .... thanks again, >>take care ..... > > >if crafty doesnt win I wont be surprise......... >coz I believe the strength differance between crafty and other strong wnboard >engines is probably around 30-40 elo. and at that differance anything can >happen. as you can see the error margin (in this tourny) is reasonably high.... > >crafty getting smacked by Amy is not a new story, >here is stats for Amy in my tourny.. > > >(6) amy : 98 (+ 34,= 19,- 45), 44.4 % > >lg : 18 (+ 6,= 5,- 7), 47.2 % >crafty : 15 (+ 8,= 2,- 5), 60.0 % >tcb : 12 (+ 6,= 1,- 5), 54.2 % >anmon : 12 (+ 4,= 3,- 5), 45.8 % >yace : 20 (+ 3,= 3,- 14), 22.5 % >sos : 10 (+ 4,= 1,- 5), 45.0 % >wbnimzo2000b : 11 (+ 3,= 4,- 4), 45.5 % > > >I have also seen in other winboard tournaments in winboard firum that crafty >getting smacked my Amy.. >Amy is not a bad program at all........its a *very* interesting program IMO. >I wonder if the author is still working on it... > >here is the cross table of my tourny.. > > > > Program Elo + - Games Score Av.Op. Draws > > 1 wbnimzo2000b : 2523 60 81 82 68.9 % 2385 23.2 % > 2 yace : 2414 69 57 100 52.0 % 2400 24.0 % > 3 crafty : 2414 61 53 124 52.0 % 2400 20.2 % > 4 anmon : 2396 54 67 110 49.5 % 2400 22.7 % > 5 lg : 2378 59 64 109 46.8 % 2400 18.3 % > 6 amy : 2364 63 66 98 44.4 % 2403 19.4 % > 7 tcb : 2360 81 75 75 44.0 % 2402 10.7 % > 8 sos : 2343 81 76 68 41.2 % 2405 17.6 % > >15 min per side......pentiumII 400mhz. >ponder=on >no TB >most recent version of each program that is available. >lg= little goliath 2.9a > > >I dont know if I am gonna continue this tourny anymore, >but I am interested on a 30min/per side tourny. > > >Pavel Pavel, Hi man how you doing? Fine I hope .... I see you and I have a slight differance of opinion regarding Crafty winning this or not. It's nothing personal, but I will state again I will be surprised if Crafty does NOT win the Battle of the Crowns. Crafty is the best free progam on earth, in my opinion .... :)) even though I know what opinions are like! I think if Crafty doesn't win, there may be a possibility of a "smudge" factor. Thats too deep to go into here, but all these fine results I see of the little lady AMY, just don't equal out on my system .... maybe my system is messed up? Have a great day .... :))
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