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Subject: Re: The 16 ply challenge restated

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 13:43:24 09/14/00

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On September 14, 2000 at 16:31:12, Uri Blass wrote:

>On September 14, 2000 at 15:55:55, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>Here are a set of tough positions to search deeply.  Just finding a mate is not
>>good enough, uless you can *prove* it is the shortest mate.
>
>Finding a mate is good enough even if you cannot prove that it is the shortest
>mate.

It's good enough to win.  It's not good enough to find the most beautiful
solution.  In this case, it is a matter of goals.  You can simply ignore any
where you find checkmates if you don't like that part of the challenge.

>Doing mistakes of not finding the shortest mate is going to change nothing in
>rating points so I do not see the importance of it for normal chess programs
>that are not mate solvers.

Only a few of these will be a sure mate in 16 plies.  Ignore those, if you so
choose.

>I do not see the point of searching to 16 plies.

Stop at two plies then.  Deeper is better.

>It is easy to search faster if you do more pruning.

But more error prone.  If you search 20 plies by pruning but lose in 5 moves
because of something you pruned out, it's not such a great idea.  But if you can
search 20 plies by extensive pruning and always get the same answers as a brute
force search, then you have found something spectacular.  Alpha-Beta (in
particular) gets the same answer as exhaustive search, and only requres sqrt(n)
tests provided you order the moves correctly.



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