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Subject: Re: Deepest chess problem ever composed?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 07:34:53 09/15/00

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On September 15, 2000 at 10:20:57, Helmut Conrady wrote:

>On September 15, 2000 at 09:01:22, Andreas Stabel wrote:
>
>>On September 15, 2000 at 08:43:27, Bernhard Bauer wrote:
>>
>>>On September 15, 2000 at 08:18:59, Helmut Conrady wrote:
>>>
>>>>Im wondering, what is the deepest chessproblem ever composed. There is a problem
>>>>created by Petrovic in 1969 which might lead to a mate in 270.
>>>>
>>>>[D]8/Bk3p1p/1P3p2/KP2n2p/1P1p4/1Pp2p2/B1P5/7B w - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>Unfortunately I haven t got the solution.
>>>>
>>>>Can onyone explain how to win this.
>>>>Does anyone know a deeper problem?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>>Helmut
>>>
>>>Found an old posting.
>>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>The task record for a legal position is this one:
>>>
>>>Petrovici, "Problem", 1969
>>>White: Ka5, Ba2, Ba7, Bh1, pb3, pb4, pb5, pb6, pc2 (9)
>>>Black: Kb7, Ne5, pc3, pd4, pf3, pf6, pf7, ph5, ph7 (9)
>>>#270
>>>
>>>Solution:
>>>
>>>1.Bb1 h4 2.Ka4 Ka8
>>>(Black's king oscillates to and from b7 except when a black
>>>pawn is moved)
>>>3.Ka3 4.Ka2 5.Ka1 6.Ba2 7.Kb1 8.Kc1 9.Kd1 10.Ke1 11.Bb1
>>>12.Kf1 (White begins a triangulation in order to lose the move)
>>>13.Kf2 14.Ke1 15.Kd1 15.Kc1 17.Ba2 18.Kb1 19.Ka1 20.Bb1
>>>21.Ka2 22.Ka3 23.Ka4 Kb7 24.Ka5 f5
>>>(Black moves a pawn rather than permit White's king to be
>>>moved to a6. White makes nine more triangulations, each time
>>>forcing Black to move a pawn)
>>>47...pf4 70...pf6 93...pf5 116...ph3 139...ph2 162...ph6
>>>185...ph5 208...ph4 231...ph3, and now
>>>254.Ka5 Kc8 255.Ka6 f2 256.b7+ Kd7 257 b8=Q f1=Q 258.Q:e5 Q:h1
>>>259.Qg7+ Ke6 260.Qg6+ Ke5 261.Bb8+ Ke4 262.Qc6+ Ke3 263.Q:h1 Kf2
>>>264.B:f4 Ke2 265.b6 d3 266.c:d3 Kf2 267.Bc2 Ke2 268.Bd1+ Kf2
>>>269.Qf3+ Kg1 270.Be3 mate.
>>>
>>>Cornel Pacurar
>>>http://www.orbonline.net/~corpac/index.html
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>Kind regards
>>>Bernhard
>>
>>I don't think this solution is correct. Black has to move some pawns during
>>the first white king tour or the white king will escape to g3 or h3 and
>>start munching black pawns and win that way. To stop this black has to do
>>the following pawn moves h4-h3-h2 and f5-f4. This will cause the mate to
>>be a lot less than 270, but still awesome.
>
>I think the 270 moves must be correct, because this problem was discussed in the
>problem magazine "Die Schwalbe" 8/2000. The discussion was: 270 or 271 moves to
>mate. :)
>
>
>Helmut

This is not convincing because you need to prove that there is no shorter mate.
The problem seem to be not a good problem also because the solution is not
unique and white can win by 1.Ka4 instead of 1.Bb1

Uri



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