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Subject: Re: Bob, are programs at GM level?!

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:06:20 09/20/00

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On September 20, 2000 at 01:24:30, Jouni Uski wrote:

>On September 19, 2000 at 10:22:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On September 18, 2000 at 17:42:06, odell hall wrote:
>>
>>>Hello CCC
>>>
>>>
>>>  How many think the new SSDF List is relatively Accurate?  Personally I commend
>>>SSDF for doing a outstanding Job, Based on my observations of the grandmaster
>>>Challenge and other 40/2 events, I think the list is very reliable.
>>>I believe it is safe to say that any top program  running on a K62-450 is 2500
>>>elo, or very near.  I think that now that the rating has been significantly
>>>lowered, this list will be taken far more seriously in determining Fide rating
>>>for Modern Programs. I am curious if some skeptics of the List in the Past,
>>>consider the list still to high, or Just about right?  Opinions Welcome
>>
>>
>>For anyone that understands the statistics in the Elo system, the correction
>>makes zero sense.  There is no way to take two totally different rating pools,
>>and adjust one set of ratings to make them comparable to the others.  As has
>>been pointed out so many times here, the _difference_ between two ratings is
>>the _important_ piece of data.  Not the raw ratings themselves.  All this
>>correction does is attempt to correct highly over-rated numbers on the SSDF
>>list.  Adjusting _all_ ratings on their list changes _nothing_ of course.  And
>>it still doesn't mean that their ratings have anything to do with FIDE ratings,
>>other than the top programs are now a bit closer to "reality ratings"...
>
>But are You still claiming programs are NOT at GM level?
>In reality they 100% sure are.
>
>Jouni


100% sure based on what?  100% opinion?

The crux is this:

If a GM plays "normal chess" vs a computer, then the computer will do OK.
It will _not_ run the GM off the board, but the computer will certaily play
and produce results as if it were a GM.

If a GM plays "anti-computer chess" then this changes.  And the machines will,
in general, look silly.  They will fall into silly draws.  They will fall into
silly losses.  They will still win a few.  But they won't be confused with a GM
in any way.

My answer is still "no".  They are pretty close, yes.  But close only counts
in hand grenades and horse shoes.  Not chess.



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