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Subject: Re: Bob, are programs at GM level?!

Author: Ed Panek

Date: 12:35:28 09/21/00

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On September 20, 2000 at 13:06:20, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On September 20, 2000 at 01:24:30, Jouni Uski wrote:
>
>>On September 19, 2000 at 10:22:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On September 18, 2000 at 17:42:06, odell hall wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hello CCC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  How many think the new SSDF List is relatively Accurate?  Personally I commend
>>>>SSDF for doing a outstanding Job, Based on my observations of the grandmaster
>>>>Challenge and other 40/2 events, I think the list is very reliable.
>>>>I believe it is safe to say that any top program  running on a K62-450 is 2500
>>>>elo, or very near.  I think that now that the rating has been significantly
>>>>lowered, this list will be taken far more seriously in determining Fide rating
>>>>for Modern Programs. I am curious if some skeptics of the List in the Past,
>>>>consider the list still to high, or Just about right?  Opinions Welcome
>>>
>>>
>>>For anyone that understands the statistics in the Elo system, the correction
>>>makes zero sense.  There is no way to take two totally different rating pools,
>>>and adjust one set of ratings to make them comparable to the others.  As has
>>>been pointed out so many times here, the _difference_ between two ratings is
>>>the _important_ piece of data.  Not the raw ratings themselves.  All this
>>>correction does is attempt to correct highly over-rated numbers on the SSDF
>>>list.  Adjusting _all_ ratings on their list changes _nothing_ of course.  And
>>>it still doesn't mean that their ratings have anything to do with FIDE ratings,
>>>other than the top programs are now a bit closer to "reality ratings"...
>>
>>But are You still claiming programs are NOT at GM level?
>>In reality they 100% sure are.
>>
>>Jouni
>
>
>100% sure based on what?  100% opinion?
>
>The crux is this:
>
>If a GM plays "normal chess" vs a computer, then the computer will do OK.

  Do you have any games comp. vs a GM where the GM played "Normal chess" to look
at?

Ed



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