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Subject: Re: Bob, are programs at GM level?!

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 15:38:42 09/21/00

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On September 21, 2000 at 15:35:28, Ed Panek wrote:

>On September 20, 2000 at 13:06:20, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On September 20, 2000 at 01:24:30, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>
>>>On September 19, 2000 at 10:22:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 18, 2000 at 17:42:06, odell hall wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hello CCC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  How many think the new SSDF List is relatively Accurate?  Personally I commend
>>>>>SSDF for doing a outstanding Job, Based on my observations of the grandmaster
>>>>>Challenge and other 40/2 events, I think the list is very reliable.
>>>>>I believe it is safe to say that any top program  running on a K62-450 is 2500
>>>>>elo, or very near.  I think that now that the rating has been significantly
>>>>>lowered, this list will be taken far more seriously in determining Fide rating
>>>>>for Modern Programs. I am curious if some skeptics of the List in the Past,
>>>>>consider the list still to high, or Just about right?  Opinions Welcome
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>For anyone that understands the statistics in the Elo system, the correction
>>>>makes zero sense.  There is no way to take two totally different rating pools,
>>>>and adjust one set of ratings to make them comparable to the others.  As has
>>>>been pointed out so many times here, the _difference_ between two ratings is
>>>>the _important_ piece of data.  Not the raw ratings themselves.  All this
>>>>correction does is attempt to correct highly over-rated numbers on the SSDF
>>>>list.  Adjusting _all_ ratings on their list changes _nothing_ of course.  And
>>>>it still doesn't mean that their ratings have anything to do with FIDE ratings,
>>>>other than the top programs are now a bit closer to "reality ratings"...
>>>
>>>But are You still claiming programs are NOT at GM level?
>>>In reality they 100% sure are.
>>>
>>>Jouni
>>
>>
>>100% sure based on what?  100% opinion?
>>
>>The crux is this:
>>
>>If a GM plays "normal chess" vs a computer, then the computer will do OK.
>
>  Do you have any games comp. vs a GM where the GM played "Normal chess" to look
>at?
>
>Ed


Almost every GM vs comp game you find is "normal" for some reason.  You will
find _many_ more IM players are using anti-computer chess.



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