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Subject: Re: check extensions, when are they to much overhead?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:20:28 09/24/00

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On September 24, 2000 at 00:04:33, Mike Adams wrote:

>I am going to give some numbers of how long it takes pulsar to search the
>following postion to depths 6 and 7 with and without check extensions.  I picked
>this postion from one of pulsars games because it is the typical kind of postion
>in which there are many check threats and the search blows up with check
>extensions.
>
>[D] 8/1Q6/2r1p1kp/3r1p2/1B3Pp1/PP2q3/6PP/R2R1K2 w - -
>
>to search 5 depth without check extensions is 21,840 calls of search and qsearch
>to search depth 5 with check extensions is 43,245 calls of search and qsearch
>
>to search depth 6 without check extensions is 60,255 calls of search and qsearch
>to search depth 6 with check extensions is 220,859 calls of search and qsearch
>
>to search depth 7 without check extensions is 217,524 calls
>to search depth 7 with check extensions is 845,443 calls
>
>As you can see depth 7 without check extensions is less calls than depht 6 with
>check extensions.  As far as how i do my checkextesnions goes basicly what I do
>is that if in search and in check call at detph rather than depht - 1.  Of
>course i dont do this at the root.  I can and probably will fiddle around with
>pulsar to see if it plays better without check extensions or modified check
>extensions but i was wondering if I could get some tips on if its ok for search
>to blow up or are there ways to shorten it.  One thing i noticed is that in this
>postion if I just allow check extensions to kick in at depht =1 or depth =2 ,
>the last two ply searched as depth counts down, search hardly blows up as much.
>
>to search depth 7 with check extension only if incheck at depth 1 or 2 is
>418,213 calls rather than 845,443 with full extensions and to search depth 6
>with check extensions only on in the last two ply searched, 1 or 2, calls is
>83,000 compared to 60,255 with no check extensions or 220,859 with full
>extensions.
>
>                                          thanks for any tips you can give me
>                                          Mike Adams


That is simply part of the check extension "cost".  The problem _always_ is that
you extend the right moves, plus (unfortunately) a lot of lines that don't need
to be extended at all.  The question is, are you stronger with or without
them???



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