Author: Harald Faber
Date: 07:32:27 09/24/00
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On September 24, 2000 at 10:18:26, pavel wrote: >On September 24, 2000 at 02:26:26, Harald Faber wrote: > >>Hi all, >>sorry for not posting frequently but my time is limited... >>Besides some improvements in the GUI one expected a stronger engine for the new >>Tiger. You can imagine how astonishe I was when I played several games with the >>new Tiger/K7-500 against Shredder4/K6-200 (g/120) and Shredder led by 4.5-2.5 >>after 7 games. Although I know how strong Shredder is even on tha slow >>200MHz-machine, but this result was unbelievable. > >it is not unbelievable, shredder 4 is still strong enough to be a threat to any >chess program in the world. No doubt, but on a much slower hardware (2.3x-2.6x) it is VERY unlikely that Shredder could have a chance to win even such a short match. > I was not sure if this was due >>to strange engine progress or due to the book. Because of some trouble getting >>the London-book started, in these 7 games the "original", small book was used. >>After these 7 games I stoped that match, I have seen enough. I managed to get >>the London-book to work finally successful. I started the match again, and what >>I say is just WOW! I have stopped the match at a standing of 5-0 for Tiger! >>Not even Tiger 12e crushed Shredder that clear. And look at the games, there are >>wins in the endgame although Shredder is said to be very strong in there and had >>access to all 5-man TBs! >> >>See the games below and enjoy! >>(And get eager for the new Tiger :-)) > >yes and also get eager for the new shredder.... Be sure I'll get the new Shredder and CM8000 too. :) >your 'experiment' proves only one thing. that is, tiger won only because of its >better book, since according to you tiger played much better when book has been >changed. Don't forget that the book counts to the program as well as the engine does. The book I used first was certainly a 2nd-class-one coming with the LChess-engine. And if you take a look at the games you will see that Tiger did not win the games because of winning lines out of the book, no way. >also note that shredder is one of those programs which plays *significantly* >better with faster processors, ( I think I read that several times somewhere in >this forum). In same hardware things could be differant. I didn't say that Tiger crushed Shredder on same hardware. However, it is not common that Shredder4 got crushed by 5-0 on my 200MHz machine. Shredder always managed to hold matches even, but surprisingly not this time. That 5-0 makes me say WOW! Tiger and no other program can do better than winning X - 0. >then ofcourse there is this question of not having enough games.... >thats why we have something called "SSDF" ...:)) >Pavel I am not SSDF, SSDF will test Tiger2 in the future, but not now. And beta-testing is not restricted neither wished to only play auto232-games in an amount SSDF does, that would be something Ed and Christophe could do on their own. My and other Tiger-2-results just give an impression, statistical value will come later by SSDF.
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