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Subject: Re: Computer Chess Museum - Opinions Please

Author: Will Singleton

Date: 23:31:16 09/24/00

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On September 25, 2000 at 02:00:25, Pete Galati wrote:

>On September 25, 2000 at 01:06:41, Will Singleton wrote:
>
>>On September 24, 2000 at 22:33:22, Pete Galati wrote:
>>
>>>On September 24, 2000 at 22:08:08, Will Singleton wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 24, 2000 at 21:17:12, D Ridge wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Greetings All,
>>>>>
>>>>>I'd like your collective opinion on an ambitious, gigantic and noble project
>>>>>I've been thinking about. My name is David Ridge, I'm in my mid-forties and I've
>>>>>been a computer chess fanatic for 23 years.
>>>>>
>>>>>My first machine was a Chess Challenger 7 in 1978 and I've owned over 40
>>>>>different dedicated units between now and then. Like most of you, I mostly use
>>>>>chess software on a PC these days but I have fond memories of those early days
>>>>>when dedicated units ruled and a newer, stronger, better one was always just
>>>>>around the corner.
>>>>>
>>>>>You see, I learned chess in 1978, just when dedicated chess playing units were
>>>>>becoming technically possible. For those of you who weren't around the scene
>>>>>then, I'll tell you a little about it. The early machines played poorly, but so
>>>>>did I. They improved with each new unit and, so did I. We kind of grew together.
>>>>>
>>>>>The late 70's and early 80's saw a furious pace of development with great
>>>>>imagination and ingenuity applied to some very unique concepts like the Scisys
>>>>>Mark V and the Executive hand-held. Even Mattel got into the act with a LCD
>>>>>pocket unit. There were LCD touch screens and Robot Adversaries. Heady days
>>>>>indeed.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyway, I've been thinking a lot lately that someone ought to preserve this
>>>>>history of computer chess. A computer Chess Museum is required. Of course this
>>>>>could never be a commercially viable project. People aren’t going to line up
>>>>>around the block to buy tickets to see this stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>>Some form a privately owned view-by-appointment collection would be the way to
>>>>>go. I would like to try to take this project on. Now, I know there were about
>>>>>500 different units manufactured since the beginning of time and, since I'm not
>>>>>wealthy (an understatement to be sure) there is no way I could afford to
>>>>>purchase these things.
>>>>>
>>>>>Surely many of the really old ones are probably lying dormant and worthless in
>>>>>someone's closet or garage, waiting for the next yard sale.I was thinking that I
>>>>>would appeal to the world chess community to send me their old, useless, unloved
>>>>>computers for a nominal fee of ..say…$10 to compensate them for the trouble of
>>>>>packaging it up and I would also pay the cost of shipping. In return I would
>>>>>pledge to inscribe their name prominently as "Donated by...", sort of their
>>>>>chance at immortality.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm not talking about finding all 500…that would be unrealistic. I'm thinking
>>>>>that, over a period of years, 100 to 200 units could be accumulated, all
>>>>>representing something different or unique. Perhaps a kind of retirement
>>>>>project.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you think it would fly or am I over-estimating people's philanthropy? Or am I
>>>>>just plain crazy??
>>>>>
>>>>>Looking forward to your responses.
>>>>>
>>>>>You can respond here or to me directly at dridge@idirect.com.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>David
>>>>
>>>>Good idea.  I think a number of people have wanted to do something like this,
>>>>myself included.  One large problem, of course, is space.  Where the heck could
>>>>you display all these machines appropriately?  It almost has to be the type of
>>>>deal where a guy dedicates a room or two in his place, then has the ability to
>>>>schedule time, etc.  Would be nice if it was in a large city, so folks could get
>>>>there easily.
>>>>
>>>>I'd also like to see early programs that ran on the appleII series, as well as
>>>>the pc, commodore, etc.  Of course, then you'd really need some generosity.
>>>>
>>>>I have a couple old machines I can donate, but I'd like to see a list of
>>>>commitments before going forward.  I'll commit to a CompuChess and a Boris
>>>>(subject to where you are, and if you have your act together).
>>>>
>>>>Will
>>>
>>>Oh, that would be great if he had working computers of the appropriate age with
>>>those old programs running on them, especially if the original program's boxes
>>>were on display, Mike has a great selection of images on his website.
>>>
>>>I suppose it wouldn't be practical to run computers that are that old for
>>>extended periods of time, but if visitors could try the programs while they ran
>>>on modern machines, on emulators when needed, that would be very popular among
>>>visitors.  You have to figure that it wouldn't be good to have people handling
>>>the standalone (term?) Chess-set/computers, but it probably wouldn't be a
>>>problem having them try old programs, and you certainly wouldn't need a very
>>>modern computer to do that on.  For that, an old 486 even if it only had Dos
>>>could run any Chess program that used MS-Dos.
>>>
>>>Can a Mac run Apple II programs?
>>>
>>>Pete
>>
>>I don't know about a mac, but there's an emulator for dos (windows?) that runs
>>the apple 2.  I still can't figure out how to get the old progs off the 5.25"
>>disks though.
>>
>>http://geta.life.uiuc.edu/~badger/files/
>
>Wow, they got the ROM.  I don't know, but if you have an operating AppleII then
>I would assume that there would be a way to network it to a non Apple II
>computer and maybe the files could be transferred that way.  Maybe over a modum?
> Or is my understanding of the subject too shallow.
>
>You gotta know it's possible to transfer the files somehow, otherwise it would
>have been next to imposible to get those ROMs for download right?
>
>Pete

The apple never heard of networking. :)  I suppose a 30 baud connection could be
set up to xfer the files.. have to look into that.  I recall writing code to
write data to tape, then later to the modem, then to the printer...

The apple 2 rom was printed out in a red book.  not that big.  you could type it
in pretty easy.

Will




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