Author: pavel
Date: 06:22:30 09/25/00
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On September 25, 2000 at 08:53:37, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On September 24, 2000 at 22:56:34, Mike S. wrote: > >>On September 24, 2000 at 22:34:50, Jorge Pichard wrote: >> >>>Of course that my second choice would have to be the King an experimental >>>version of the future CM8000. >>> >>>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/thstorm/partic00.htm >> >>I wonder why Quest (=Fritz) should run on a dual Celeron 433 only? > >He used dual 433 previous year. > >>Btw., Nimzo was my favourite for the London WCh. I predicted the outcome (but >>the participants didn't stick to my prediction): > >>http://f23.parsimony.net/forum50826/messages/515.htm >> >>For the Dutch Open, I think that - in addition to the 4 professionals - Diep >>(dual PIII/800), furthermore a new version of Kallisto II, and probably Patzer, >>are the dark horses which deserve attention. > >There are 2 programs dual at dutch open: Diep and Quest. > >However let's face it that there are 3 programs out there with a real >good and especially well tested book: Nimzo and Quest and Tiger. >From those only a single program is dual. Nimzo heavily relies upon >outsearching its opponents after having an openingsposition that's better >for it. > >The King has a book which is not that bad, but definitely not anymore >a 'todays' book. Further The King is an engine which plays very interesting >chess at slow hardware. Just sacrafice a pawn and play a cool game. At >nowadays programs searching 11 ply or more with very aggressive tunings, >that simply is getting a more hard way to play chess, as nowadays they don't >only swallow the pawn, but also win the game. > >apart from that, i doubt whether The King will *ever* win from DIEP, >as from testgames it appears that DIEP is the worst opponent for The King, >as DIEP is not only outsearching The King positionally (not tactical), >but also having more knowledge, so the only advantage the king has against >DIEP is better tactics, which nowadays hardly works. This where nimzo's >cool tactics work usually excellent as it's backupped by a superb book. you kidding me !! can you paste some of the sample games? *ever* win is (more than) a bit harsh IMO, you can come to such conclusion because DIEP is not as much commercially available as the king (CM) engine is. So only you and few others get the privilege of testing DIEP with CM. by the way I think DIEP has played more tournaments than any other chess program I know of......so how many did it win? (not that it is of any importance) Pavel > >I don't see however how nimzo can ever win from Tiger, and nimzo has >the disadvantage that it faces dual machines. Nimzo sure will run at >a new machine. Jan usually has the latest hardware for it. > >I don't know whether Frans buys new hardware, nevertheless for Quest >it seems it doesn't matter that much anymore as it already gets quite >deeply. > >The only few programs profitting from hardware at dutch open will be DIEP, >The King (assuming he changed his pruning a bit) and many programs who are >very young and not exactly title favourite like Xinix. > >I would be amazed if Kallisto shows up. > >>(This time, I think the winner is at least among those I've mentioned...) > >>Regards, >>M.Scheidl
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