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Subject: Re: a test position from hiarcs-tiger (here's J6a)

Author: Chessfun

Date: 16:05:50 09/26/00

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On September 26, 2000 at 18:53:45, Chessfun wrote:

>On September 26, 2000 at 16:51:33, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>[D]3r3k/p7/1p6/2p2Q1p/2P1R3/2P5/P2KP3/6q1 w - - 0 1
>>
>>Hiarcs played Kc2 and had to resign some moves later because the queen cannot be
>>saved[the game continued Kc2 Qd1+ Kb2 Rd2+ Ka3 Qc1+ Ka4 b5+ cxb5 Qc2+ Ka5 Qxc3+
>>and white resigned because of the line Ka6 Rd6+ Kb7 Qg7+ Kb8(forced because Kc8
>>is leading to mate) Rd8+].
>>
>>How much time do programs need to avoid this tactical error?(some program like
>>hiarcs can play Rd4 after a short time but later change their mind to Kc2 so the
>>right test is to give them at least some minutes)
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>Nice job noticing that move Uri !!.
>This is from game 1 of my post yesterday.
>Hiarcs 7.32 v Chess Tiger 12.92 Beta.
>A good test position so it would seem.
>I expect quite a few programs will have a problem with this.
>
>Hiarcs 7.32 48 mb for some reason seems to like Kc2 even to
>depth 12/30 which is where I stopped it, after a big fail.
>Though even now it's still thinking after 10 mins and hasn't
>posted another line yet.
>
>Even Fritz 6a likes Kc2 for a while even Qd5?. Seems F6a has as many
>problems with this as Hiarcs does.
>
>Chess Tiger 12.92 Beta selects it for about 3 secs between depths 10-11.
>Though Tiger can clearly see that Rd4 leaves it still in the game.
>
>Following are;
>Hiarcs 7.32
>F6a
>Chess Tiger 12.92 Beta
>
>HIARCS 7.32 Cel 433, 48 Mb hash.
>46.Kc2 Qd1+ 47.Kb2 Rd2+ 48.Ka3 Qc1+ 49.Ka4 b5+ 50.cxb5 Qc2+ 51.Ka5 Qxc3+ 52.Ka6
>Rd6+ 53.Kb7 Qg7+ 54.Kc8 Qg8+ 55.Kb7 Rb6+ 56.Kc7 Qh7+ 57.Qxh7+ Kxh7 58.Re7+ Kh8
>  µ  (-1.06)   Depth: 11/30   00:02:35  8153kN
>46.Kc2 Qd1+
>  µ  (-1.33)   Depth: 12/30   00:03:10  10219kN
>46.Kc2 Qd1+ 47.Kb2 Rd2+ 48.Ka3 Qc1+ 49.Ka4 b5+ 50.cxb5 Qc2+ 51.Ka5 Qxc3+ 52.Ka6
>Rd6+ 53.Kb7 Qg7+ 54.Kc8 Qg8+ 55.Kb7 Rb6+ 56.Kc7 Qb8+ 57.Kd7 Qd6+ 58.Ke8 Rb8+
>59.Qc8 Rxc8+ 60.Kf7
>  -+  (-12.40)   Depth: 12/30   00:05:28  20478kN
>
>Analysis by Fritz 6:
>46.Kc2 Qd1+ 47.Kb2
>  -+  (-1.75)   Depth: 2/7   00:00:00
>46.Kc2 Qd1+ 47.Kb2 Rd2+ 48.Ka3
>  -+  (-1.75)   Depth: 3/9   00:00:00
>46.Rd4
>  -+  (-1.72)   Depth: 3/11   00:00:00
>46.Rd4 cxd4 47.Qf6+ Kh7
>  -+  (-1.41)   Depth: 3/11   00:00:00
>46.Rd4 cxd4 47.Qf6+ Kh7 48.Qe7+
>  -+  (-1.69)   Depth: 4/13   00:00:00
>46.Rd4 cxd4 47.Qf6+ Kh7 48.Qe7+
>  -+  (-1.69)   Depth: 5/13   00:00:00  1kN
>46.Rd4 cxd4 47.Qf6+ Kh7 48.Qe7+
>  -+  (-1.69)   Depth: 6/16   00:00:00  3kN
>46.Rd4 cxd4 47.Qf6+ Kh7 48.Qe7+
>  -+  (-1.69)   Depth: 7/17   00:00:00  6kN
>46.Rd4 cxd4 47.Qf6+ Kh7 48.Qe7+
>  -+  (-1.69)   Depth: 8/21   00:00:00  11kN
>46.Rd4 cxd4 47.Qf6+ Kh7 48.Qe7+
>  -+  (-1.69)   Depth: 9/25   00:00:00  28kN
>46.Rd4 cxd4 47.Qf6+ Kh7 48.Qe7+
>  -+  (-1.69)   Depth: 10/27   00:00:01  237kN
>46.Rd4 cxd4 47.Qf6+ Kh7 48.Qe7+ Qg7 49.Qxd8 dxc3+ 50.Kc2 Kh6
>  -+  (-1.66)   Depth: 11/29   00:00:03  876kN
>46.Rd4 cxd4 47.Qf6+ Kh7 48.Qe7+ Qg7 49.Qxd8 dxc3+ 50.Kc2 Kh6
>  -+  (-1.53)   Depth: 12/31   00:00:08  2496kN
>46.Kc2
>  -+  (-1.50)   Depth: 12/31   00:00:12  3433kN
>46.Kc2 Qd1+ 47.Kb2 Rd2+ 48.Ka3 Qc1+ 49.Ka4 b5+ 50.cxb5 Qc2+
>  ³  (-0.53)   Depth: 12/36   00:00:23  6400kN
>46.Kc2 Qd1+ 47.Kb2 Rd2+ 48.Ka3 Qc1+ 49.Ka4 b5+ 50.cxb5 Qc2+
>  ³  (-0.62)   Depth: 13/34   00:00:33  9087kN
>46.Kc2 Qd1+ 47.Kb2 Rd2+ 48.Ka3 Qc1+ 49.Ka4 b5+ 50.cxb5 Qc2+
>  µ  (-0.91)   Depth: 14/36   00:01:00  16487kN
>46.Kc2--
>  µ  (-1.22)   Depth: 15/37   00:01:15  20885kN
>46.Kc2 Qd1+ 47.Kb2 Rd2+ 48.Ka3 Qc1+ 49.Ka4 b5+ 50.cxb5 Qc2+
>  -+  (-8.75)   Depth: 15/42   00:01:29  25534kN
>46.Qd5
>  -+  (-8.72)   Depth: 15/42   00:01:49  31645kN
>46.Qd5 Rxd5+ 47.cxd5 Qg5+ 48.Re3 Qxd5+ 49.Ke1 Qxa2 50.Rh3 Qd5
>  -+  (-7.00)   Depth: 15/42   00:06:46  112162kN
>
>
>Chess Tiger 12.92 Beta; Cel 433, 48 Mb hash.
>; 00:00:00.1  46.   Score: -2.16   depth: 8 Rd4  Rxd4+  cxd4  Qxd4+  Ke1  Qc3+
>Kf2  Qxc4  Qxh5+  Kg7  Qg5+  Kf7  a3
>; 00:00:00.3  46.   Score: -1.92   depth: 8 Rd4  Rxd4+  cxd4  Qxd4+  Ke1  Qc3+
>Kf2  Qxc4  Qxh5+  Kg7  Qg5+  Kf7  Qf5+  Ke7  Qh7+  Qf7+
>; 00:00:03.7  46.   Score: -2.26   depth: 9 Rd4  cxd4  Qf6+  Kh7  Qe7+  Qg7
>Qxd8  dxc3+  Kd3  Kh6  c5  bxc5
>; 00:00:05.2  46.   Score: -2.12   depth: 10 Rd4  cxd4  Qf6+  Kh7  Qe7+  Qg7
>Qxd8  dxc3+  Kd3  Kh6  e4  Qg3+  Ke2  Qg2+  Ke3
>; 00:00:21.8  46.   Score: -2.04   depth: 10 Kc2  Qd1+  Kb2  Rd2+  Ka3  Qc1+
>Ka4  b5+  cxb5  Qc2+  Ka5  Qxc3+  Ka6  Rd6+  Kb7  Qg7+  Kc8
>; 00:00:25.5  46.   Score: -2.04   depth: 11 Rd4  cxd4  Qf6+  Kh7  Qe7+  Qg7
>Qxd8  dxc3+  Kd3  Kh6  e4  Qg3+  Kc2  Qe5  Qa8
>; 00:00:34.8  46.   Score: -2.06   depth: 12 Rd4  cxd4  Qf6+  Kh7  Qe7+  Qg7
>Qxd8  dxc3+  Kd3  Kh6  e4  Qg3+  Kc2  Qe5  Qa8  Qg7
>; 00:01:08.9  46.   Score: -1.88   depth: 13 Rd4  cxd4  Qf6+  Kh7  Qe7+  Qg7
>Qxd8  dxc3+  Kd3  Kh6  Qd5  h4  c5  bxc5  Qxc5  a6  e4
>; 00:02:01.3  46.   Score: -1.88   depth: 14 Rd4  cxd4  Qf6+  Kh7  Qe7+  Qg7
>Qxd8  dxc3+  Kd3  Kg6  a4  Qe5  Qg8+  Kh6  Qd8  Qg3+  e3  Qe5
>; 00:07:14.9  46.   Score: -1.80   depth: 15 Rd4  cxd4  Qf6+  Kh7  Qe7+  Qg7
>Qxd8  dxc3+  Kd3  Kg6  a4  Qe5  Qa8  Qe7  e4  Qf6  Qxa7  Qf3+
>
>; Analysis completed
>
>
>Sarah.

This is what Junior 6a makes of it;

Analysis by Junior 6a

1.Kc2 Qd1+ 2.Kb2 Rd2+ 3.Ka3 Qc1+ 4.Kb3
  µ  (-1.19)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1.Kc2 Qd1+ 2.Kb2 Rd2+ 3.Ka3 Qc1+ 4.Ka4 Rxa2+ 5.Kb5 Qb1+ 6.Kc6 Rxe2 7.Qxh5+
  -+  (-1.89)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  3kN
1.Rd4 cxd4 2.Qf6+ Kh7 3.Qe7+ Qg7 4.Qxd8 dxc3+ 5.Kd3 Qg3+ 6.e3
  -+  (-1.81)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  9kN
1.Rd4 cxd4 2.Qf6+ Kh7 3.Qe7+ Qg7 4.Qxd8 dxc3+ 5.Kc2 Qe5 6.Qd3+ Kg7 7.Qxc3 Qxe2+
  -+  (-1.77)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  73kN
1.Kc2!
  -+  (-1.51)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  133kN
1.Kc2 Qd1+ 2.Kb2 Rd2+ 3.Ka3 Qc1+ 4.Ka4 Rxa2+ 5.Kb5 Rb2+ 6.Kc6 Qh1 7.Qf8+ Kh7
8.Qf7+ Kh6
  µ  (-1.19)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  176kN
1.Kc2!
  µ  (-0.89)   Depth: 12   00:00:02  802kN
1.Kc2 Qd1+ 2.Kb2 Rd2+ 3.Ka3 Qc1+ 4.Ka4 b5+ 5.cxb5 Rxa2+ 6.Kb3 Qc2+ 7.Kc4 Ra4+
8.Kd5 Qxe4+ 9.Qxe4 Rxe4 10.Kxe4
  ³  (-0.68)   Depth: 12   00:00:04  1491kN
1.Kc2 Qd1+ 2.Kb2 Rd2+ 3.Ka3 Qc1+ 4.Ka4 b5+ 5.cxb5 Qc2+ 6.Ka5 Qxc3+ 7.Ka6 Rd6+
8.Kb7 Qg7+ 9.Kb8 Rd8+ 10.Qc8
  -+  (-9.41)   Depth: 15   00:00:15  6088kN
1.Rd4 Rxd4+ 2.cxd4 Qxd4+ 3.Ke1 Qxc4 4.Qxh5+ Kg7 5.Qe5+ Kg6 6.Qd6+ Kf5 7.Qf8+ Ke5
8.Qg7+ Kd6 9.Qxa7 Qc1+
  µ  (-0.81)   Depth: 15   00:01:17  31481kN, tb=128
1.Rd4 Rxd4+ 2.cxd4 Qxd4+ 3.Ke1 h4 4.Qf8+ Kh7 5.Qf7+ Kh6 6.Qxa7 Qf6 7.Qb7 h3
8.Qc7 Qc3+ 9.Kf2 Kg5 10.Qh2
  µ  (-0.76)   Depth: 17   00:04:53  119048kN, tb=1773

Sarah.




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