Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 12:30:52 12/19/97
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>This Fritz thing is out of control. I don't understand this sentence ! Which Fritz thing ? And why is it out of control ?? What is the meaning ??` >But all of the programs have been tested and rated. As far as I know Fritz5 is not rated yet. > This is what you >should go by. ?? > I got the impression "software of the year" had a lot >more to do with features than strength. Am I wrong? As I said, I think software of the year 1997 by KK is ok. 97 is over !! :-) > I have an old >version of Fritz and really like the interface and usability. I have >Rebel too and love the strength but hate the interface. Just because >Fritz may not be the strongest possible program is no reason for it >not to be software of the year. I personally do not know if it >deserves to be or not and I'm not going to take sides, but it's very >difficult to respect YOUR reasons for claiming it shouldn't be. Let it be software of the year 1997 ! But don't tell me it can play chess like other programs. I don't see no reason to believe this. > >Don't you think you're being just a teeny weeny bit unfair here? Of course I am unfair ! >In >every way imaginable you've stacked the odds in your favor: > > a) You took the white pieces, A big advantage right there. Look, it was the first game ! I wanted to test the just before downloaded CSTAL white chris announced here. One of my favourite opponents is, since KK and others propagate it, Fritz5. :-) > > b) You chose a hash size that favors your slower program. I did not CHOSE a hash size. I have to k6/200 Mhz machines with the same amount of Ram and hardware power. Fritz5 got what he is able to get from OS. Not my problem that Genius5-WIN gets more hash and can use it better, the same with Virtual2-win95 and also with CM5000-WIN95. The same with Shredder2. ALL THESE WIN-PROGRAMS ARE ABLE TO USE THE RAM ON MY MACHINES n o r m a l. ONLY PROGRAM THAT HAS PROBLEMS IS *your* program of the year. From my point of view a real handicap. A program of the year that has problems with k6-cpu's and "less" ram meanwhile all other WIN programs run perfectly under the same conditions and get better ELO's in sweden (where also some people test programs). So : unfair ? Hm. > > c) You chose a processor your program was optimized for and Fritz > was not. Choooooose ?? Why should I buy an Intel CPU when the k6 is cheaper and faster with the same Mhz ? CSTal nor shredder2 nor Virtual2 nor Genius5-win nor CM5000 were OPTIMISED for INTEL! If they castrate themselves - why should this be MY problem. WHen somebody is doing self-destroyment, why should it be MY fault ? As I said Don, NO OTHER WIN CHESS PROGRAM (and Virtual2 and Shredder2 and CM5000 and Genius5-WIN are STRONG PROGRAMS TOOOOOOOO ) is doing it. It is unfair of ChessBase to castrate their program ! Unfair to the customers,because maybe SOME OF THE CUSTOMERS HAVE READ THE ADVICE IN THE computer-schach and Spiele magazin: BUY k6/CPU !! And now they have bought them and now it is announced: program of the year xyz is not running optimal on it due to an * optimization * !! Ha - very funny Don ! > > d) You played only 1 game, a virtually meaningless result. Right. It was the first game. And I do comment all games. But this was the first. Did I say that this is important. I referred in the comments to the strange behaviour of Fritz. And you do as if I attack ChessBase and Moritz sees a big conspiracy against the whole universe , especially Frederic Friedel. When I attack Fred, I do it more sensible, and he will not even SEE that it is ME causing him trouble. > >After doing all of this, you then attached GREAT MEANING to the result. > Great meaning ?? I don't understand this word. >But I don't even trust the results at face value any more (even though >they are not important given the sample size of 1.) You seem to >have such a strong personal agenda that it's hard for me to believe >you could even execute a fair test. !!! Strong personal agenda ? What is this COuld you please tell me more about the above. I don't understand you. > NO I'm not accusing you cheating. >I just think you have to many emotional biases to properly construct >a scientific test. Emotional biases while watching a chess program ??? Construct a scientific result. Dear Bob - I am not Wernherr von Braun. I want to play chess and not launch a rocket to the moon. Properly ?? Ha. > It's extremely easy to bias a test without even >knowing it and I'm extremely distrustful of results that are reported >unless I personally know the tester quite well. And it is especially easy for Fritz, as we have seen, to play worse due to several strange possibilities between hardware, software and the human beeing operating it. >>In Paris Fritz5 got a Pentium300, an optimized book, enough RAM and >>Frans was sitting next to it, and the results of Fritz5 AND the games >>were bad. >>So: Fritz works maybe at your home. Brilliant. But what will the other >>million customers in the world think about this SOFTWARE OF THE YEAR >>when they cannot reproduce the advertising results of the ChessBase >>home-page ?? > >How many games were played in Paris? 11 ! >I really do not think enough >games were played to get a true sense of what Fritz is capable of. TRUE SENSE. Of course your sense is much truer than mine. Most because YOU don't have fritz, but me. This gives you a great scientific advantage. I remember Bob did the same in the shredder /virtual discussion. He had no virtual but he was sure shredder was stronger (because of jakarta). But I had both at home, shredder2-beta AND virtual2-beta. And I knew that they would rank very high. Maybe because me biased way of unscientifical testing was unproper enough for my reality :-) >I know you think of yourself as a brilliant artist and not as a I am no artist. I am not brilliant. I am weaker than the average. >cold logical scientist but surely you understand that a little >common sense has it's place too? Common sense on what ? Can you tell me what you speak about. Common sense can mean much. > You are treating everyone as >if they were idiots. I am treating nobody. I play a game and post it. The only idiots are the guys who make a big story out of it because they have whatever reasons. BTW: how do you treat idiots ? I mean: What does this mean for you ? > > >- Don
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