Author: pavel
Date: 10:34:41 09/30/00
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On September 29, 2000 at 23:09:55, Christophe Theron wrote: >On September 29, 2000 at 21:56:16, pavel wrote: > >>On September 29, 2000 at 17:58:52, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On September 29, 2000 at 12:19:45, pavel wrote: >>> >>>>On September 29, 2000 at 11:41:21, Jorge wrote: >>>> >>>>>Incidently, where is Shredder5 beta results to date? I haven't seen a post about >>>>>Shredder5 since it won the computer tournament..just eager to find some info on >>>>>Shredder. >>>> >>>>I believe the shredder team (includes beta tester) likes to keep their testings >>>>secret. I think there is nothing wrong with that. >>>> >>>>for instance you wont expect enrique to give the results of chesstigerII testing >>>>to the shredder team and vise versa. >>> >>> >>> >>>Wrong. The results of Rebel-Tiger II beta are being posted daily on this message >>>board. Everybody can read them. There is even a game posted by a totally new and >>>experimental version (it is not even in beta test yet) that has just been posted >>>today. >>> >>>We have a rather "open" beta testing policy. I hope it will not backfire and >>>that the chess fans appreciate this. >>> >>> >>> Christophe >> >>I wasnt talking about a few interesting games... >>Would you like if any of your beta-tester give the results of every single games >>played by tiger-beta, and also its weakness and strength to your competitor? >>If thats the case, then there is no point of beta-testing. It certainly will >>backfire. >>If you check, you will see that all the games that are being posted are the >>games that are either wins for tiger-beta or they are interesting games. >>how many loosing bad games by tiger-beta were posted? >>Its really hard for me to believe that tiger hardly looses. :) >> >>The point is that the criticle information by the beta-testers are always >>secret. >>Some programs (shredder) goes a little farther.... its hardly give out any >>information... >> >>by the way, I really appreciate for the games that are being posted. >> >>Pavel > > > >Some beta testers have posted the results of several matches, and in these >results Tiger's losses have not been stripped out. > >So nobody tells that Tiger never loses. > >As for the strength and weaknesses, tell me: Fritz6 has been released several >months ago. Now can somebody please point me the strengths and weaknesses of >this program, so I can beat it easily? While you are at it, can you point me the >strengths and weaknesses of Junior6, so I can take advantage of this knowledge? >Don't waste your time: it's useless. Nobody can express the strengths and >weaknesses of a program (especially one that you got only 2 weeks ago) in such a >way that a smart programmer will use this information. If the programmer is >smart enough, he'd better work on his program independently and improve it, not >spending time trying to exploit weaknesses that will disappear in the next >version or update of the opponent. I guess you are right. but then again the question remains, what stops the chessbase and shredder to let their beta-tester from posting results of the beta engine? I know many posters over here, in this forum, who are active beta-testers for these (above) companies. but their companies doesnt want them to give out any informations. what other possible reasons can there be? > >So our beta testers can tell anything they want about the weaknesses of the new >Tiger, it won't help the competition, don't worry. I am not worring :) I believe in sharing information, and I like it. currently in this forum, games from the beta-testers is what i seek for. most of them are very interesting :) > >I think the beta testers try to feel what the differences between the previous >and the new version are, and they tell you about what they have seen. > >So far they have rather good results. In this case the natural tendency is to >post won games... :) yes I was wrong about my previous statement. the natural tendency for beta-tester while posting games to public, should naturally be positive.... pavel > > > > Christophe > > > > > >>>>By the way did you see any beta test games by fritz (5,6 or 7) too? >>>>LOL >>>> >>>>coincidence? no. >>>>but thats what you call beta-testing, >>>> >>>>esp. when you have hardcore competitors out there.. >>>> >>>>Pavel
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