Author: Uri Blass
Date: 11:21:20 09/30/00
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On September 30, 2000 at 13:34:41, pavel wrote: >On September 29, 2000 at 23:09:55, Christophe Theron wrote: > >>On September 29, 2000 at 21:56:16, pavel wrote: >> >>>On September 29, 2000 at 17:58:52, Christophe Theron wrote: >>> >>>>On September 29, 2000 at 12:19:45, pavel wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 29, 2000 at 11:41:21, Jorge wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Incidently, where is Shredder5 beta results to date? I haven't seen a post about >>>>>>Shredder5 since it won the computer tournament..just eager to find some info on >>>>>>Shredder. >>>>> >>>>>I believe the shredder team (includes beta tester) likes to keep their testings >>>>>secret. I think there is nothing wrong with that. >>>>> >>>>>for instance you wont expect enrique to give the results of chesstigerII testing >>>>>to the shredder team and vise versa. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Wrong. The results of Rebel-Tiger II beta are being posted daily on this message >>>>board. Everybody can read them. There is even a game posted by a totally new and >>>>experimental version (it is not even in beta test yet) that has just been posted >>>>today. >>>> >>>>We have a rather "open" beta testing policy. I hope it will not backfire and >>>>that the chess fans appreciate this. >>>> >>>> >>>> Christophe >>> >>>I wasnt talking about a few interesting games... >>>Would you like if any of your beta-tester give the results of every single games >>>played by tiger-beta, and also its weakness and strength to your competitor? >>>If thats the case, then there is no point of beta-testing. It certainly will >>>backfire. >>>If you check, you will see that all the games that are being posted are the >>>games that are either wins for tiger-beta or they are interesting games. >>>how many loosing bad games by tiger-beta were posted? >>>Its really hard for me to believe that tiger hardly looses. :) >>> >>>The point is that the criticle information by the beta-testers are always >>>secret. >>>Some programs (shredder) goes a little farther.... its hardly give out any >>>information... >>> >>>by the way, I really appreciate for the games that are being posted. >>> >>>Pavel >> >> >> >>Some beta testers have posted the results of several matches, and in these >>results Tiger's losses have not been stripped out. >> >>So nobody tells that Tiger never loses. >> >>As for the strength and weaknesses, tell me: Fritz6 has been released several >>months ago. Now can somebody please point me the strengths and weaknesses of >>this program, so I can beat it easily? While you are at it, can you point me the >>strengths and weaknesses of Junior6, so I can take advantage of this knowledge? >>Don't waste your time: it's useless. Nobody can express the strengths and >>weaknesses of a program (especially one that you got only 2 weeks ago) in such a >>way that a smart programmer will use this information. If the programmer is >>smart enough, he'd better work on his program independently and improve it, not >>spending time trying to exploit weaknesses that will disappear in the next >>version or update of the opponent. > >I guess you are right. >but then again the question remains, >what stops the chessbase and shredder to let their beta-tester from posting >results of the beta engine? Did you talk with the beta testers of chessbase? Do you know that they are not allowed to post results?(the fact that they do not post results does not prove that they are not allowed to do it). Do you know that beta testers are not allowed to post results for all the chessbase programs or maybe they are not allowed to post results only for part of them. >I know many posters over here, in this forum, who are active beta-testers for >these (above) companies. but their companies doesnt want them to give out any >informations. > >what other possible reasons can there be? It is possible that they believe that the final version is going to be clearly better and they do not like to give the public misleading information. It is also possible that they know that they did not do a big improvement and they are prefer not to expose the games because of this reason. Uri
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