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Subject: Re: Tiger II beta - Shredder 4

Author: pavel

Date: 11:37:11 09/30/00

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On September 30, 2000 at 14:21:20, Uri Blass wrote:

>On September 30, 2000 at 13:34:41, pavel wrote:
>
>>On September 29, 2000 at 23:09:55, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On September 29, 2000 at 21:56:16, pavel wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 29, 2000 at 17:58:52, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 29, 2000 at 12:19:45, pavel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On September 29, 2000 at 11:41:21, Jorge wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Incidently, where is Shredder5 beta results to date? I haven't seen a post about
>>>>>>>Shredder5 since it won the computer tournament..just eager to find some info on
>>>>>>>Shredder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I believe the shredder team (includes beta tester) likes to keep their testings
>>>>>>secret. I think there is nothing wrong with that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>for instance you wont expect enrique to give the results of chesstigerII testing
>>>>>>to the shredder team and vise versa.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Wrong. The results of Rebel-Tiger II beta are being posted daily on this message
>>>>>board. Everybody can read them. There is even a game posted by a totally new and
>>>>>experimental version (it is not even in beta test yet) that has just been posted
>>>>>today.
>>>>>
>>>>>We have a rather "open" beta testing policy. I hope it will not backfire and
>>>>>that the chess fans appreciate this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Christophe
>>>>
>>>>I wasnt talking about a few interesting games...
>>>>Would you like if any of your beta-tester give the results of every single games
>>>>played by tiger-beta, and also its weakness and strength to your competitor?
>>>>If thats the case, then there is no point of beta-testing. It certainly will
>>>>backfire.
>>>>If you check, you will see that all the games that are being posted are the
>>>>games that are either wins for tiger-beta or they are interesting games.
>>>>how many loosing bad games by tiger-beta were posted?
>>>>Its really hard for me to believe that tiger hardly looses.  :)
>>>>
>>>>The point is that the criticle information by the beta-testers are always
>>>>secret.
>>>>Some programs (shredder) goes a little farther.... its hardly give out any
>>>>information...
>>>>
>>>>by the way, I really appreciate for the games that are being posted.
>>>>
>>>>Pavel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Some beta testers have posted the results of several matches, and in these
>>>results Tiger's losses have not been stripped out.
>>>
>>>So nobody tells that Tiger never loses.
>>>
>>>As for the strength and weaknesses, tell me: Fritz6 has been released several
>>>months ago. Now can somebody please point me the strengths and weaknesses of
>>>this program, so I can beat it easily? While you are at it, can you point me the
>>>strengths and weaknesses of Junior6, so I can take advantage of this knowledge?
>>>Don't waste your time: it's useless. Nobody can express the strengths and
>>>weaknesses of a program (especially one that you got only 2 weeks ago) in such a
>>>way that a smart programmer will use this information. If the programmer is
>>>smart enough, he'd better work on his program independently and improve it, not
>>>spending time trying to exploit weaknesses that will disappear in the next
>>>version or update of the opponent.
>>
>>I guess you are right.
>>but then again the question remains,
>>what stops the chessbase and shredder to let their beta-tester from posting
>>results of the beta engine?
>
>Did you talk with the beta testers of chessbase?

yes i did

>
>Do you know that they are not allowed to post results?(the fact that they do not
>post results does not prove that they are not allowed to do it).

i dont know if they are allowed to post results of some games.
but deffinately they are not allowed to post results regarding beta-testing.
i am assuming same for shredder...

>
>Do you know that beta testers are not allowed to post results for all the
>chessbase programs or maybe they are not allowed to post results only for part
>of them.
>
>>I know many posters over here, in this forum, who are active beta-testers for
>>these (above) companies. but their companies doesnt want them to give out any
>>informations.
>>
>>what other possible reasons can there be?
>
>It is possible that they believe that the final version is going to be clearly
>better and they do not like to give the public misleading information.

for every single chessbase product?...for every single version?

>
>It is also possible that they know that they did not do a big improvement and
>they are prefer not to expose the games because of this reason.

same here..

Pavel
>
>Uri



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