Author: pavel
Date: 11:37:11 09/30/00
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On September 30, 2000 at 14:21:20, Uri Blass wrote: >On September 30, 2000 at 13:34:41, pavel wrote: > >>On September 29, 2000 at 23:09:55, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On September 29, 2000 at 21:56:16, pavel wrote: >>> >>>>On September 29, 2000 at 17:58:52, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 29, 2000 at 12:19:45, pavel wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On September 29, 2000 at 11:41:21, Jorge wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Incidently, where is Shredder5 beta results to date? I haven't seen a post about >>>>>>>Shredder5 since it won the computer tournament..just eager to find some info on >>>>>>>Shredder. >>>>>> >>>>>>I believe the shredder team (includes beta tester) likes to keep their testings >>>>>>secret. I think there is nothing wrong with that. >>>>>> >>>>>>for instance you wont expect enrique to give the results of chesstigerII testing >>>>>>to the shredder team and vise versa. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Wrong. The results of Rebel-Tiger II beta are being posted daily on this message >>>>>board. Everybody can read them. There is even a game posted by a totally new and >>>>>experimental version (it is not even in beta test yet) that has just been posted >>>>>today. >>>>> >>>>>We have a rather "open" beta testing policy. I hope it will not backfire and >>>>>that the chess fans appreciate this. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Christophe >>>> >>>>I wasnt talking about a few interesting games... >>>>Would you like if any of your beta-tester give the results of every single games >>>>played by tiger-beta, and also its weakness and strength to your competitor? >>>>If thats the case, then there is no point of beta-testing. It certainly will >>>>backfire. >>>>If you check, you will see that all the games that are being posted are the >>>>games that are either wins for tiger-beta or they are interesting games. >>>>how many loosing bad games by tiger-beta were posted? >>>>Its really hard for me to believe that tiger hardly looses. :) >>>> >>>>The point is that the criticle information by the beta-testers are always >>>>secret. >>>>Some programs (shredder) goes a little farther.... its hardly give out any >>>>information... >>>> >>>>by the way, I really appreciate for the games that are being posted. >>>> >>>>Pavel >>> >>> >>> >>>Some beta testers have posted the results of several matches, and in these >>>results Tiger's losses have not been stripped out. >>> >>>So nobody tells that Tiger never loses. >>> >>>As for the strength and weaknesses, tell me: Fritz6 has been released several >>>months ago. Now can somebody please point me the strengths and weaknesses of >>>this program, so I can beat it easily? While you are at it, can you point me the >>>strengths and weaknesses of Junior6, so I can take advantage of this knowledge? >>>Don't waste your time: it's useless. Nobody can express the strengths and >>>weaknesses of a program (especially one that you got only 2 weeks ago) in such a >>>way that a smart programmer will use this information. If the programmer is >>>smart enough, he'd better work on his program independently and improve it, not >>>spending time trying to exploit weaknesses that will disappear in the next >>>version or update of the opponent. >> >>I guess you are right. >>but then again the question remains, >>what stops the chessbase and shredder to let their beta-tester from posting >>results of the beta engine? > >Did you talk with the beta testers of chessbase? yes i did > >Do you know that they are not allowed to post results?(the fact that they do not >post results does not prove that they are not allowed to do it). i dont know if they are allowed to post results of some games. but deffinately they are not allowed to post results regarding beta-testing. i am assuming same for shredder... > >Do you know that beta testers are not allowed to post results for all the >chessbase programs or maybe they are not allowed to post results only for part >of them. > >>I know many posters over here, in this forum, who are active beta-testers for >>these (above) companies. but their companies doesnt want them to give out any >>informations. >> >>what other possible reasons can there be? > >It is possible that they believe that the final version is going to be clearly >better and they do not like to give the public misleading information. for every single chessbase product?...for every single version? > >It is also possible that they know that they did not do a big improvement and >they are prefer not to expose the games because of this reason. same here.. Pavel > >Uri
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