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Subject: Re: Shredder, ChessBits and Marcus Kaestner

Author: Stefan Meyer-Kahlen

Date: 06:11:08 10/02/00

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On October 02, 2000 at 07:57:33, Detlef Pordzik wrote:

>On October 02, 2000 at 03:19:00, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Some strange and false statements about my person and my program Shredder have
>>recently been published. I think that it is necessary to make some facts known:
>>
>>
>>1. The following statements by Marcus Kaestner are FALSE:
>>
>>* Marcus Kaestner claims on his homepage and the cover of the latest issue of
>>his magazine to have tested a beta version of Shredder5 and the latest beta
>>version of Shredder in his magazine, on the cover he evens calls it just
>>“Shredder5”.
>>* Marcus Kaestner has claimed here to have tested the London version of Shredder
>>and found it inferior to other programs that also have competed in London.
>>* Calling me stupid for not allowing to publish the ChessBits rating list, where
>>Shredder 4.16 is supposed to be “the clear number 1” doesn’t make much sense to
>>me as I can’t know a rating list which hasn’t been published yet.
>>
>>
>>2. The CORRECT facts are:
>>
>>* Marcus Kaestner was a beta tester of Shredder until beginning of June 2000
>>when I found out that he has copied beta versions to third parties.
>>* The last beta version of Shredder he received was version 4.16 from beginning
>>of June.
>>* The version playing in London was Shredder 4.24.
>>* Shredder 4.24 and 4.16 differ significantly, e.g. the evaluation function of
>>Shredder 4.16 is still very similar to the commercial version Shredder4 which is
>>certainly no longer true for version 4.24.
>>* There is still a long way to go to complete Shredder5.
>>* To call version 4.16 or even versions prior to that a “Shredder 5 Beta” or
>>even “Shredder 5” is definitely INCORRECT.
>>* I don’t have access to preprints of ChessBits so I have no idea about the
>>content of the latest issue as long as it hasn’t been published yet. I can only
>>judge from the cover and Marcus Kaestner’s announcements.
>>* Marcus Kaestner has found other programs to support, e.g. he was operating
>>Tiger in London and was responsible for Rebel and Tiger playing the Belgrade
>>Gambit in London against Shredder as he knew that previous versions of Shredder
>>have handled this opening not very well. Luckily for me the London version of
>>Shredder has improved also in this regards,
>>* I was personally insulted by Marcus Kaestner on his homepage several times.
>>
>>
>>3. Conclusions:
>>
>>* I simply ask Marcus Kaestner to stop claiming having tested beta versions of
>>Shredder5, the London version of Shredder or even a current beta version of
>>Shredder and to stop his personal aggressions immediately.
>>* I have no idea why Marcus Kaestner is acting like this except for pushing his
>>magazine and trying to harm Shredder.
>>* I don’t want to deal with Marcus Kaestner again for obvious reasons. This
>>whole story is no fun for me and I don’t like dealing with lawyers and these
>>endless discussions in the Internet. It keeps me from working on Shredder.
>>* If the good reputation of my program and our legal rights need to be defended
>>I and my distributor Ossi Weiner will certainly do so.
>>
>>
>>Stefan Meyer-Kahlen (author of Shredder)
>
>
>As I've said just recently - and you should know it by now - it's time to stick
>it....all this rumble in the jungle for " nearly nothin' " -
>
>Ed stated totally correct, that the man is off to some kind of job; so he can't
>clarify, defend nor excuse himself at present anyhow.
>
>By far n' near I see no realistic aspect under which Shredder could loose - any
>kind - of reputation; quite similar to the other all time legends like Rebel,
>Fritz, The King...did I forget anyone accidentally ?
>Impossible -
>even the more, as the prog captured 4 titles in a row - countin' in the double
>shot at Paderborn - so, what the heck ?
>
>If, at all, you could set up your mind anew and make up some conclusions for the
>upcoming future - but that ain't no public adress for my opinion.
>
>So, to give you an - unasked -  but nevertheless well minded, good advice :
>
>do your thing, finish the product, then get, what you deserve - and let things
>themself roll on down the aimed paths. Take your personal conclusions, in case
>you aren't satisfied with whatsoever in the past - and turn back the tide to the
>ways you wish them to be -
>
>but stay outta public with this - it is, it was and it never will be elegant.
>
>steady rockin'
>
>ELVIS

Thanks for your comments.

Please check the CCC archive and Kaestner's homepage to find out who has started
speading lies and making this all public.

Stefan




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