Author: Albert Silver
Date: 17:10:53 12/19/97
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On December 19, 1997 at 17:17:05, Thorsten Czub wrote: > > >>- you know my results (60% vs. Rebel 9 in a 40 game match 40/120, 65% in >>my play the game position etc. etc.). > >I have found out that Rebel9 HAS problems with Fritz4 and also with >Nimzo3.5 when i tested Rebel8. >This is a long time ago. >I told Ed about (I think so. He said he cannot proof this. His results >against them are normal.) >Now you proof the same with a higher Fritz5 and a higher Rebel version. >This looks very normal to me too. >But is does not proof that Fritz is a s strong as Rebel. >It only proofs that Rebel8 had problems with fast-searchers like Fritz4 >and Nimzo3.5 and maybe still Rebel9 with Fritz5 and Nimzo98 ! >I hope this time Ed can reproduce my results better because YOU have the >same results here ! > >> >>This made me wonder if Fritz, the target of your campaign, was the true >>reason for your negative feelings. > >Target ! >Campaign ! >Your words Moritz. Your words ! >It is not war ! >And I am not fighting it. Chess is a war game. But I relax while doing >it. For me losing or winning is less important than HOW the games were >played. > > > >>I simply don't get how you can so >>easily discard tons of games (must be well over 100 played games), >>including Fritz annotations and timings. BTW: I have verified your moves >>37-39 with the commercially available Fritz and can confirm its bad >>evaluations in this game. Fritz 5.01 plays Kf7 all the time :-) > >AHA !! Don't you think that it is a little unfair to >tell the customers about 60 % and marvellous results and whatever, and >on the other hand YOUR results were produced with a totally different >engine ?? > >Sofware of the year ! And the customers get the "rubbish" software ? > >I do not discard tons of games easily. >Don told me that I am biased and that he thinks I would not be able to >do a scientific experiment without influencing it negatively. > >I take this as an insult. But it does not hurt me because I like Don. > >Why do you think I am doing a personal vendetta or campaign ? >I would post the same thing when CSTAL would have played this, or >Shredder2. >Don't you see that this is nothing to be hurted much, it was a game to >replay, to consider about. Not an insult against ChessBase. >When I start a campaign I do it different. believe me. >> >>> >>>> >>>>Don't you think you're being just a teeny weeny bit unfair here? >>> >>>Of course I am unfair ! >> >>So why do you wonder if we complain? > >I wonder why you tell me that your results are better, but you are not >using the commercial version ! >Thousand of customers use MY commercial version ! >Don't you think it is unfair to them to claim that Fritz5 is strong, >although THEIR version will not behave the way YOUR version does ? > >In the original answer of me I told Bob in detail why it was NOT unfair >to put Fritz5 on a k6, why it was not unfair to use the commerical >version, not unfair to use a normal amount of hash. >Nobody chose the setup the way that fritz has to fail. >There was NO arrangement. I can let Shredder2, Virtual2, CM5000 or other >WIN-programs play against CSTal and again I have no idea why I should >arrange anything. Ignoring the rest. I don't understand. Moritz says that the old version produces the same results as your game but that the NEW non-comercial version 5.01 produces the moves I mentioned: Kf7 all the way. I am not a beta tester and do not have version 5.01 . Just in case though, I'm subjecting the information of the engine file to your scrutiny: MS-DOS name: FRITZ500.ENG 106,496 bytes Modified: August 14, 1997 This is what was installed by my Fritz 5 CD. Albert
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