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Subject: Re: mistakes of chess programs... more than a pawn ...

Author: Vincent Lejeune

Date: 16:00:36 10/03/00

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after this moves sequence the position is be lost, a second pawn will fall
(white threat Rf6 followed by f4! to take the e pawn ...)

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "New position"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4bb1k/4qn1p/5p2/2Q1p1p1/1r2P3/1BN2P2/5BPP/3R2K1 w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "30"]

1. Qxe7 Bxe7 2. Bxf7 Bxf7 3. Rd7 Rb3 4. Rxe7 Rxc3 5. Rxf7 Rc1+ 6. Be1 Rxe1+ 7.
Kf2 Rc1 8. Rxf6 Rc5 9. Rf5 h6 10. Kg3 Kg7 11. h4 gxh4+ 12. Kxh4 Kg6 13. Kg4 Rb5
14. g3 Ra5 15. f4 Kg7 *



On October 03, 2000 at 17:34:59, John Merlino wrote:

>On October 03, 2000 at 14:09:18, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>These positions are from the latest match chessmaster8000-Crafty17.13 that was
>>posted here.
>>My impression from the match is that crafty has king safety problems and lost
>>some games by king attacks.
>>
>>1)[D]4bb1k/4qn1p/5p2/2Q1p1p1/1r2P3/1BN2P2/5BPP/3R2K1 w - - 0 1
>>In this position chessmaster8000 played Qd5 instead of Qxe7 that wins a pawn and
>>drew the game.
>>
>>I am interested to know how much time does chessmaster8000 need to find Qxe7.
>>I tried Chessmaster6000 and after 2 hours that it did not find Qxe7 and I gave
>>up.
>>Later I gave it the moves Qxe7 Bxe7 and it needed some minutes to find the
>>obvious Bxf7.
>>
>
>I'm not sure that this is "obvious", given the time control (and the fact that
>neither of us know how much time CM had on its clock). After 1.Qxe7 Bxe7 2.Bxf7
>Bxf7 3.Rd7 Rb3 4.Rxe7 Rxc3 5.Rxf7 Rc1+ 6.Be1 Rxe1+ 7.Kf2, White definitely wins
>a pawn. And, yes, it does seem obvious to me, too. But, oddly enough, the eval
>after the 15 plies necessary to calculate this is only about 0.4 higher than
>what it was at this position.
>
>CM8000 does consider Qxe7 briefly, but then switches to Qd5 at depth 8 at 0:06.
>It still believes Qd5 is the best move at depth 11 (nowhere near depth 15),
>after 3:11.
>
>jm



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