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Subject: Re: Moderation: Then you should have stopped it a lot earlier!!

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 12:34:22 10/05/00

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On October 05, 2000 at 02:52:31, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On October 05, 2000 at 01:06:53, Dann Corbit wrote:
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>>On October 05, 2000 at 00:49:06, Christophe Theron wrote:
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>>>On October 04, 2000 at 18:13:13, Dann Corbit wrote:
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>>>>On October 04, 2000 at 17:44:46, Torstein Hall wrote:
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>>>>>On October 04, 2000 at 16:22:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>The accusations from SMK is still here. He has an obvious right to answer!!
>>>>>
>>>>>If you think this do not belong here, you should have stopped the accusations
>>>>>first! Now I feel that to be fair, the answer should stay for a while.
>>>>
>>>>You are assuming that the moderators read all the messages and also that someone
>>>>has complained.  The complaints have started only recently.  I (for instance)
>>>>read only a fraction of the messages, and the topic for this thread was totally
>>>>uninteresting to me.  Now that people have started to holler about it, some
>>>>action will be taken.  Possibly, all threads related to this topic will simply
>>>>be removed.
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>>>Dann, sorry to say this, but if you have missed the message where Stefan accused
>>>Marcus, then you and the moderation team are doing a poor job. I can't believe
>>>it.
>>>
>>>The current world champion posts a new topic with a flashy title, and no
>>>moderator reads it? Come on...
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>>My wife nearly died, and I have been at the hospital with her.
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>I'm really sorry to read this, Dann. I hope she's alright now.
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>I understand how futile this discussion can appear then.
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>I apologize.
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>Take good care of you, of her.

We can all be busy at times.  I have barely been on ICC lately, yet most
know I am almost always there from 9pm-1am or so _every_ night.  But with
a daughter getting married on October 14, at my house, my wife has kept me
busy beyond belief.  I didn't read any of the thread until some complaints
popped in via email...

Don't assume that just because it has a flashy title it gets read.  I
am not particularly interested in the topic, and didn't read it at all
until the last couple of days...



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>>  I missed over
>>one week of messages completely.  And I really don't read messages that look
>>political, no matter who wrote them unless some quirky thing catches my
>>attention or for some other strange reason I decide to read it.  I don't read
>>messages about chessmaster, and I don't read messages about many other topics
>>that keenly interest many others.  This is an incredibly busy month for me, and
>>I have hardly been reading here at all.  Over on the Winboard forum, someone was
>>asking if something has happened to me!
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>>>I don't think you missed it, so I'm going to assume that the moderators have
>>>read Stefan's accusing message.
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>>What purpose is served by lying about it?  I don't care one bit about the matter
>>either way, though I do think it is silly to try to hold a trial in the press
>>for either party.
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>>>In this case, as Stefan's message (which contained obvious personal attacks) has
>>>not been moderated AT ALL, then Marcus has the right to answer and his message
>>>should be left here. Even if people complain about it. It is simply called the
>>>right to answer.
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>>WHO used the moderator form to send a message to the moderators on that post?
>>ANSWER: Nobody.  And really, honestly, I didn't read it.
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>>>On the other hand I perfectly understand that the moderators are worrying about
>>>a possible expansion of the thread beyond any reasonnable limit.
>>>
>>>I think that posts under the same topic that are obviously trying to add fuel to
>>>the flames should indeed be moderated. But if somebody has a fact to give about
>>>the topic, it should be allowed.
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>>It has probably come to the time where all the threads should be removed about
>>that topic.  It's pointless at best.  If someone really wants to go on about it,
>>there is always news:rec.games.chess.misc or whatever.
>>
>>>I also think that Stefan and Marcus should be allowed to discuss the matter in
>>>the public place, because it is apparently the way they have chosen. Provided
>>>they try to control themselves and stop insulting each other.
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>>If insults are flying it's already too late for that.  Since people are now
>>becoming annoyed at the mess, I think it is a waste of time to discuss it here.
>>A big flame fest is sure to ensue.  Does *anyone* really imagine that personal
>>differences are going to be settled by banter about it in CCC?  Will either of
>>the interested parties _really_ be able to detach themselves enough from their
>>own feelings to the degree necessary for a calm rational discussion?  Is it
>>really the case that it could not better be handled via email, or (better yet)
>>both parties apologizing to each other, a warm slap on the back, and a promise
>>to buy each other a beer the next time they meet?
>>
>>>This story sounds like such a nonsense that I believe there has been some
>>>misunderstanding at some point.
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>>Could be.  I still don't really know the particulars, and I have only read *one*
>>post on the topic (the one that was complained about) which was written by
>>neither Marcus nor Stefan.
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>>>If some people in the group can help them to see the light, then the discussion
>>>has its place here. We have already seen worse and more useless threads on CCC,
>>>and we're still there...
>>
>>The existance of useless threads does not make them a good idea.  The threads
>>are starting to cause a stir.  Will continued discussions really solve any
>>issues?  Or will the scratching cause more itching which causes more scratching
>>which causes more itching.



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