Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 12:45:47 10/05/00
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On October 05, 2000 at 15:23:05, Chessfun wrote:
>On October 05, 2000 at 14:40:48, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On October 05, 2000 at 13:21:02, Chessfun wrote:
>>
>>>On October 05, 2000 at 10:57:07, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 05, 2000 at 00:28:24, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 05, 2000 at 00:01:24, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On October 04, 2000 at 17:07:28, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On October 04, 2000 at 16:28:22, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On October 04, 2000 at 10:21:13, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On October 04, 2000 at 10:15:50, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On October 04, 2000 at 01:45:57, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On October 04, 2000 at 00:35:34, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On October 03, 2000 at 20:46:43, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Err.. exactly _what_ program won't kick a GM at blitz? I have seen GNU do it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have seen everybody else do it too...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>This is hardly a distinguishing event.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Dr. Hyatt,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>You are correct. One game does not mean much. Gambit Tiger made it look so
>>>>>>>>>>>>easy though and Mecking made some decent moves. We will see how good this
>>>>>>>>>>>>program is within the next six months.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The audience that will be buying these type of programs will be most amused by
>>>>>>>>>>>>the style of play of Gambit Tiger. I am certain that you would enjoy it too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Tim Frohlick
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Sorry, but for me you both miss the point.
>>>>>>>>>>>The game is of interest not because this is a GM,
>>>>>>>>>>>but who this GM is. It would be of interest to me
>>>>>>>>>>>and others I'm sure regardless of the program or the result.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So that game is more interesting than watching Shirov get smashed over and over
>>>>>>>>>>on ICC?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Personally for me...yes.
>>>>>>>>>Mecking IMO is equal to seeing games of Karpov or Kasparov
>>>>>>>>>against computers. While I don't disagree that most programs
>>>>>>>>>would smash GM's at these time controls.....there are some GM's
>>>>>>>>>that have a certain legend to them. Mecking is IMO one Shirov is not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>We have a difference of opinion then. I consider Shirov _far_ stronger against
>>>>>>>>programs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I would say there are many GM's stronger than Mecking
>>>>>>>at both OTB and against computers, but again that wasn't my point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Mine neither. Simply that a program beating a single GM (and an old one at
>>>>>>that) in one game is _not_ news.
>>>>>
>>>>>Who said it _was_ news. Is everything that's posted news.
>>>>>
>>>>>And it may simply be an old GM to you.
>>>>>But to myself and many others it's not that simple.
>>>>>This was Mecking.!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>Programs beat the best in the world at blitz
>>>>>>all the time. ho hum is the usual response to winning a blitz game today.
>>>>>
>>>>>As you have already now said, three times.
>>>>>I thought I had already agreed to that two posts ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>
>>>>Then do you get a kick out of posting "ho hum" non-news?
>>>
>>>
>>>It is amazing how you make these statements.
>>>What news did I post?...really I wish you would check _FACT_
>>>before posting.
>>
>>The start of this thread was "gambit tiger beat GM Mecking in one game,
>>WOW". I responded that "that is _not_ anything new at all.
>>
>>Those are the "facts".
>
>
>No...you previously wrote "do you get a kick out of posting
>"ho hum" non-news" I replied with "What news did I post?"
>Those are the "facts".
>
>And this thread was titled "Gambit Tiger--A Superlative Comparison"
>not what you wrote.....another "fact"
>
>Sarah.
Try this on for size:
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PS again, It kicked GM Mecking's butt at blitz chess. Of course that was not
an official game. Mr. Al Silver has the pgn of that game but it is
up to him if he wants to release it. I don't like to post games by
beta programs because it might have an adverse effect on sales. I
am, however, free to comment on the general playing abilities of
the programs. Mecking is an alright fellow in my book.
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That is what I responded to. Quite clearly. I responded "so what, it happens
_all_ the time". I stand by my response. This started the long sub-thread that
has gone nowhere.
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