Author: Komputer Korner
Date: 20:11:07 12/21/97
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I am really getting pissed off at the attacks on me over this. If you want to turn me into becoming even more of a consumer advocate keep on attacking me. I did nothing wrong. ED distributed a free program that someone discovered and had already posted that there was an opportunity to obtain a stronger engine. I simply posted the exact way to do this after someone had tipped me on this. So the info was already public knowledge. It turns out that Ed had already pulled the program and my only omission was I forgot to check on this before releasing the info. Rebel Decade has more than 40 features less than Rebel 9. They are not the same program. But even so, I still took steps to warn Ed of this even to the poiint of telephoning his house at 2:00 am Dutch time. If had not attempted to warn Ed, would people still be attacking me? Do Robert Loggins and Steve Rix deserve universal condemnation for publishing the workarounds to the ChessBase beta demo. No. They are heroes to all the people that download it., and ChessBase has never cried foul. In fact, Matthias has said that sales have gone up ever since. On December 21, 1997 at 06:05:56, Ernst Walet wrote: >On December 19, 1997 at 20:47:44, Bela Andrew Evans wrote: > >>Not only Rebel 9 can be chosen, but R7 and R8 as well. Since I >>have R8, I compared decade 2.0/R8 engine with R8 itself. I used >>as a test position 1. f4 e5 on infinite level, and waited until >>the computer had an 8 ply line of play. R8 liked 2. fe d5 3. ed >>Bd6 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. Nc3 (8 ply) after 38 seconds (on my 486/133). >>Decade 2.0/R8 had exact same 8 ply line, but took 44 seconds. Both >>programs were operating in the same dos session, and both were using >>512K hash. >> >>So, beyond the cool fact that anyone now can have the r7,r8,r9 >>engines for free, why is Decade 2.0/R8 slower than R8 if both are >>using the same engine? > >Same goes for the R9 engine. I've tested Rebel 9 and Decade2 with R9 >engine both with 512k hash on differend positions and they show the same >PV and score but Decade2 is somewhat slower. So if it is not the same >engine, it doesn't differ much either. However, the limited hash size >certainly chockes Decade2 within a minute on my P5/133. Take this into >account and the fact that Rebel 9 has many more powerfull options e.g. >Analyze include/exclude, book analyzing etc., many extra database >options (extra pgn and epd options) i still think that esspecially Rebel >9 Light is worth the money. > >Futhermore, i think we will not gain anything on the long term if we >take Ed out of business and i think that the difference between R9 and >Dec2 is huge enough not to do so. For myself i've bought R9 light last >week; the 56 times bigger hash table on my p5/133/32mb alone was enough >reason! > >KK shouln't have reported this the way he did, it certainly doesn't add >to his credibility. > >Ernst J.
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