Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 10:28:57 10/06/00
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On October 06, 2000 at 13:22:19, Peter Davison wrote:
>On October 06, 2000 at 12:19:24, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>
>>On October 06, 2000 at 11:29:46, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>
>>>On October 06, 2000 at 10:47:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 06, 2000 at 00:12:07, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 05, 2000 at 22:36:38, Daniel Chancey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Castle2000
>>>>>
>>>>>OK, this is getting crazy. We have people running world cups and we have
>>>>>grandmasters playing games, only it's all taking place between two computers in
>>>>>someone's basement.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is like watching the news and the lead-off headline is about a gigantic naval
>>>>>battle, and you find out after sitting through three commercials (internet lag
>>>>>to load the page) that the naval battle took place in some kid's bath tub.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't know what should be done about this, but this is annoying and I hope
>>>>>that something can be worked out.
>>>>>
>>>>>Perhaps these kind of posts can be prefaced with "CM:" or something, so those
>>>>>who couldn't care less could skip them.
>>>>>
>>>>>bruce
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I agree. The subject has to be better defined.
>>>
>>>>Please stop with the current approach.
>>>
>>>Is this a moderator issue? As much as I dislike the CM personalities
>>>issues (there is hardly any interest for me), isn't this forum for
>>>everybody?
>>>
>>>Ed
>
>It is very hard to know who or what it is for. Different people have different
>ideas.
>
>>
>>Imagine that he makes a CM personality called Rebel, and another CM personality
>>called Genius, and he starts reporting a lot of Rebel vs Genius results.
>>Wouldn't you think that was misleading and distracting?
>>
>>I think the forum is for everyone, but it's distracting to see one world
>>championship per week. I don't want to read those threads, but I want to read
>>world championship threads. If they are Chessmaster basement tournaments, at
>>least he could preface the titles with "CM:"
>>
>>And really, these threads are starting to get very esoteric. Not only are we
>>seeing results of these tournaments, we are seeing procedural posts, reported in
>>such a way that you'd assume that people should take note of this stuff. But
>>how small is the minority of people here who care if someone's basement
>>tournament has been delayed for a week?
>>
>>bruce
>
>This board tries to define itself in three ways. First it calls itself by a name
>that suggests what is and what isn't appropriate. Then it has an elected group
>of moderators who are supposed to maintain some kind of on-topic control
>function. Thirdly groups of posters develop their own ideas of what is and what
>isn't, and will 'propagandise' as to what goes and what doesn't.
>
>You also have a time element involved. The Internet has grown fast, computer
>chess groups have changed from being full of enthusiasts, commercials and so on,
>to attracting younger, less 'specialist' people. The density of people you might
>argue are slightly nuts has increased. The density of people who want to publish
>Fritz or Chessmaster internal toin-cossing tounaments has increased.
>
>Effectively, you've moved from 'specialist fanatics' to 'specialist fanatics
>plus Joe Public'. This results (please refrain from the snobbery flames) in a
>dumbing-down, a general intellectual downgrading. And, I think, it is this
>general downgrading, which you sensibly refrain from explicitly stating, which
>concerns you.
>
>Let's call it the pesky end-users and kids syndrome.
>
>Now, if I'm right about the view, and I'm sure you'll be disagreeing by now,
>this viewpoint will probably not be in favour of groups here who *want* pesky
>end-users and kids. End-users provide a marketplace, as do kids, a little.
>Retailers, publishers, commercial programmers, crafty programmers all want this
>group. Well, they want to use this group. Programmers like you, who don't depend
>on sales or uploads, want, I suspect, in the final resort, to talk high level
>with other experts. You're happy to do some teaching function to serious
>beginners, but you get irritated by what you perceive of as nonsense, like the
>CM tournaments.
>
>I think your irritation is reasonable and genuine. If the forum was taken
>completely, as it has been at times, by nonsense posts, then the smart ones will
>quit (as many have already done). Nonsense then begets more nonsense.
>
>So, given the various differing requirements of the various differing interest
>groups here, what do you propose?
>
>Leave it as it is, but keep whingeing about the pesky ones?
>
>Make a select exclusive group of experts?
>
>Break up into specific interest groups?
>
>Make an expert write, end-user read only forum?
>
>Pack up and go home?
>
>Make more rules, make them explicit and enforce them?
>
>Anything else?
Yeah. Just ask Daniel to calm down with his CM personality frenzy.
That would have saved you the trouble to write such a long right on the spot but
useless philosophical message.
Christophe
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