Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:53:16 10/06/00
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On October 06, 2000 at 12:33:14, Peter Davison wrote: >On October 06, 2000 at 10:35:42, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On October 06, 2000 at 08:10:24, Peter Davison wrote: >> >>>On October 06, 2000 at 07:57:36, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote: >>> >>>>This is not Bob's Forum--It belongs to Mr. Steve Schwartz. >>> >>>Contrary to popular opinion, this is not true. Mr Schwartz *hosts* the forum, >>>and his company has rights to the software on which it runs. >>> >>>The *ownership* of the forum, the forum name, the idea, is vested in a group of >>>10 known as the Founder's Group. >> >>This is pure poppycock. > >Can you use reasoned arguments to explain why you think this is 'poppycock'? The >generally personal stuff below doesn't seem to relate to the poppycock assertion >statement. > >My understanding: the Founders Group came up with the idea to make a non-rgcc, >non-usenet forum and looked around for a place to host it. The hosting site >didn't acquire property rights over the forum as a result of this. Put it >another way, does ChessBase have property rights over Crafty because ChessBase >once 'published' Crafty as an engine? > >Property, ownership rights on the Computer-Chess Club still rest in its >originators. No paper has been signed transferring these rights to anybody. > > This forum is not a "product" by any stretch of definition. I don't see how it could be. Anymore than a usenet newsgroup is the property of any small group of people that start it. Or any more than a group of people meet in a mall and start talking... This is a "group" thing. That has grown far beyond the original group of 10 that started it. In fact, we all made a conscious decision a couple of years ago to "abandon" CCC to the masses... once it was obvious it was going to survive. I think Ed made the original proposal suggesting that the group of "founders" was no longer needed... >For Mogens Larsen, who asks elsewhere, ownership rights are shared between the >following people: > >Ed Schroder >Enrique Irazoqui >Thorsten Czub >Chris Whittington >Bruce Moreland >Bob Hyatt >Moritz Berger >Dirk Frickenschmidt >Peter Schreiner >Andreas Mader > >who comprise the original Founders Group. > >To go back further, the people who drove the thing through, and persuaded Hyatt >and Moreland to join (which took some time and persuasion) were Schroder, >Whittington and Irazoqui. I don't own any part of CCC. I simply participate. Just like I participate in r.g.c.c, just like I participate in the crafty mailing list. I didn't start that list, nor did I manage it until about a year ago when the original person became alarmed at the size it had grown to. However, to make the point, the crafty mailing list could get by just fine without me now. I think CCC has grown to that point. Exactly how would someone take "CCC" somewhere else? It is the members, the web site, the sponsor (Steve) and the topic. I don't see how that can belong to any person or group of persons. > >Now, if you have a reasoned argument why property rights rather than rights to >host were handed over, please be so good as to explain it ...... > > >>The only thing that hasn't changed since CCC was >>started is that one particular individual wants to continually jump in with >>comments designed to inflame, rather than inform. > >I am trying to be very informative. Is my information inaccurate or badly >reasoned? In some cases no. In some yes. IE the _other_ thread you started which was pointless. > > >> If you don't like it here, >>go back to the forum you started. > >That's not for you to tell me. I might decide to go sailing, or whatever. Not up >to you. > >> If you do like it here, participate. > >I thought I was. Mr Frohlick made a statement that Mr Schwartz 'owns' this site. >I happen to know that is not true, so I corrected it. Do you mind? He _does_ own this site. Lock, stock, and barrel. > >> You >>have a lot to offer, if only you would offer it. >> > >We can discuss that. It is complicated. > >> >> >> This ownership has never been passed to ICD. >>>The Founder's Group passed the moderation function to a elective moderation >>>process, but they did not pass any ownership away. Theoretically the Founders >>>Group, if they were talking to each other, could reform, take on an oversee >>>function of the moderators, start the board up on another site or whatever. >>> >>>> You are here because >>>>of the courtesy of Mr. Schwartz to allow you to be here. >>>> >>> >>>Mr Schwartz has an executive power since he currently controls the on/off >>>switch. But be clear, it is an executive power, not a political one, and not >>>based on ownership of the forum. >>> >>>Mr Schwartz was *not* a member of the Founder Group, btw. He asked, via Enrique >>>Irazoqui, to be allowed to be on it, but this request was turned down. >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Tim Frohlick
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