Author: Uri Blass
Date: 10:18:12 10/08/00
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On October 08, 2000 at 12:59:45, Oliver Roese wrote: >On October 08, 2000 at 12:48:04, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On October 08, 2000 at 12:39:41, Oliver Roese wrote: >> >>>On October 08, 2000 at 12:25:13, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On October 08, 2000 at 12:20:43, Oliver Roese wrote: >>>><snipped> >>>>>In opening and (very late) endgame computers act (almost) optimally. >>>> >>>>Humans play in the same way in the first moves of the opening. >>>> >>>In the same way? >>>You know that this is not true. >> >>I mean that both computers and most of the humans play from book and do not use >>time to calculate in the first moves. >> >> >> >>> >>>>When computers are in book in move 15 or move 20 they do not play almost >>>>optimally because they can follow not optimal known moves. >>>> >>>Thats true, but i didnt intend to say anything against that. >>> >>>>Humans who analyzed the relevant opening can find a novelty and get an >>>>advantage. >>>> >>>True, but modern software has learning facilities to protect against this, so >>>you must be _very_ creative to make a living of it. >>>I think in practice its effect is rather limited >> >>I believe that the best GM's can play the regular theory lines without being at >>disadvantage against computers. >> > >Ah, you were talking about the top 100 or so. >But _still_ it is not true. >For example i recently downloaded "enourmos.pgn" from dr hyatts site and made a >book out of it in seconds. >Can any human repeat that? >Humans cannot compete with database software. They can take advantage of bad lines in this pgn. > > >>They may sometimes even get an advantage from novelties that they prepared. >> > >Tell me just one example and i would be embarassed. I do not know about prepared novelties but I know about cases when humans got advantage against computers out of book. Example: GM Ronen har zvi got an advantage out of the opening against Rebel Century in the israeli league(Rebel drew the game after a mistake of har-zvi in the middle game). I know that more programs also got sometimes bad positions out of book against humans. I believe that the advantage of programs against masters is mainly in the middle game and not in the opening. Uri
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