Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 20:02:24 10/08/00
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On October 08, 2000 at 19:22:57, Ed Schröder wrote: >On October 08, 2000 at 18:02:15, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >>On October 08, 2000 at 11:39:42, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>On October 08, 2000 at 09:49:51, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On October 08, 2000 at 04:58:50, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 07, 2000 at 22:53:20, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On October 07, 2000 at 02:20:09, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On October 06, 2000 at 23:05:22, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On October 06, 2000 at 11:29:46, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On October 06, 2000 at 10:47:36, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On October 06, 2000 at 00:12:07, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On October 05, 2000 at 22:36:38, Daniel Chancey wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Castle2000 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>OK, this is getting crazy. We have people running world cups and we have >>>>>>>>>>>grandmasters playing games, only it's all taking place between two computers in >>>>>>>>>>>someone's basement. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>It is like watching the news and the lead-off headline is about a gigantic naval >>>>>>>>>>>battle, and you find out after sitting through three commercials (internet lag >>>>>>>>>>>to load the page) that the naval battle took place in some kid's bath tub. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I don't know what should be done about this, but this is annoying and I hope >>>>>>>>>>>that something can be worked out. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Perhaps these kind of posts can be prefaced with "CM:" or something, so those >>>>>>>>>>>who couldn't care less could skip them. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>bruce >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I agree. The subject has to be better defined. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Please stop with the current approach. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Is this a moderator issue? As much as I dislike the CM personalities >>>>>>>>>issues (there is hardly any interest for me), isn't this forum for >>>>>>>>>everybody? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Ed >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>It is a moderator issue when we get emails complaining about the subjects, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Then as a moderator you could also answer that on CCC we have free speech. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Free speech within bounds. I don't agree with dramatic subject lines that >>>>>>are misleading. I think it is perfectly within reason to expect that members >>>>>>choose a reasonable subject line so that others can decide whether or not to >>>>>>read the thread without having to first read each post to see if you want to >>>>>>read the posts. Bruce's comment about "World Cup" was right on target. >>>>>> >>>>>>I don't mind the posts. I would simply like to see the subject line reflect >>>>>>the true content. And get off the "world cup" and the like nonsense. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>and when the threads here also have complaints about the subjects. I don't >>>>>>>>mind the chessmaster threads, as I said during moderator elections. But I >>>>>>>>don't like "world cup underway". A person can't hold a "world cup" event. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Fine with me as long as you say that as a CCC member. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I believe that this falls under the moderator job description. Or should >>>>>>we simply have Tim delete the subject line option so that you can't tell >>>>>>what is in _any_ post without reading it? I like the subject title. But >>>>>>only if it is _really_ the subject. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>So the subject matter is fine. I would just like to see more "truth in >>>>>>>>subject lines". IE "world championship delayed as fischer is in two groups" >>>>>>>>is way over the top. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I agree but I got the impression you gave your opinion as a moderator. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Ed >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I did. Complaints from users (more than one) brought this up. I happened >>>>>>to agree and asked that it be 'fixed'. >>>>>> >>>>>>Otherwise we will be up to our armpits in world championships, world cups, >>>>>>international championships... and they will all be played in somebody's >>>>>>basement on one computer. And have nothing to do with the real WMCCC or WCCC >>>>>>events. >>>>>> >>>>>>Most recognize two WC events related to computers. faking up more is simply >>>>>>confusing/misleading/aggravating. >>>>> >>>>>Moderation on a confusing header-line. I can't find it in the CCC >>>>>charter. You? >>>>> >>>>>Ed >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Ever seen a law about driving a little erratically? Yet a police officer >>>>will stop a car to see why and suggest a little more caution. What if someone >>>>posts an article "Rebel clobbered by Shredder in world cup match". When you >>>>read it you discover it is just another personality tournament with a "rebel" >>>>personality in chessmaster and a "shredder" personality as well. And the world >>>>cup was played in a basement. >>> >>>Peanuts... >>> >>>>Do you think new readers would be a bit confused? A _lot_ confused? Isn't it >>>>more reasonable to simply avoid sensationalism for basement tournaments. When >>>>several have said that it is misleading? >>> >>>Paenuts too. >>> >>>You are making CCC a kindergarten.... >>> >>>There was absolute no need for the moderators to interfere. Remember the >>>occasion when you was subject to moderation? How did it feel? That's what >>>you are doing each time you interfere so it better should be big when you >>>decide to speak as a moderator using your power, because that is the >>>position you have as an elected moderator. >>> >>>Some people got annoyed about the confusing headers, they expressed their >>>feelngs in public, case solved. It's called adult behavior. >>> >>> >>>Ed >> >>You need to run for the job next time. You are well-known and well-respected >>enough, and you are willing enough to speak out on moderation topics, that you >>should have the experience of doing it. >> >>bruce > >I am just concerned... > >Ed About what? A moderator suggesting to a poster that he use more accurate subject lines? What is there to be concerned about there? I'm beginning to remember why I have turned down the moderator nomination each and every election we have had. I remember this nonsense from the first term. I was quite honest here when asked to be a moderator. I didn't want the job. I simply felt obligated since I am also a member, and without volunteers, the thing won't work. You ought to volunteer next time. It isn't as cut and dried as you seem to think. You will find you can't please _anybody_ when it comes to moderating. But if you don't moderate, CCC will cease to exist. Just look at r.g.c.c. But for the moderators, CCC would be _exactly_ the same. not a pretty picture.
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