Author: Jay Rinde
Date: 21:20:38 10/08/00
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Since what Bob Hyatt says is so obvious, I can only think that the issue is more about Bob Hyatt than the issue he raised. I can't believe what I read! I could run a CM what you want to call it, and head it up "Rinde beats Kasparov" in 24 moves. Now, would that be misleading? I think this whole thread should be dumped, since it is getting silly. On October 08, 2000 at 23:02:24, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On October 08, 2000 at 19:22:57, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>On October 08, 2000 at 18:02:15, Bruce Moreland wrote: >> >>>On October 08, 2000 at 11:39:42, Ed Schröder wrote: >>> >>>>On October 08, 2000 at 09:49:51, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 08, 2000 at 04:58:50, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On October 07, 2000 at 22:53:20, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On October 07, 2000 at 02:20:09, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On October 06, 2000 at 23:05:22, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On October 06, 2000 at 11:29:46, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On October 06, 2000 at 10:47:36, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On October 06, 2000 at 00:12:07, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On October 05, 2000 at 22:36:38, Daniel Chancey wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Castle2000 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>OK, this is getting crazy. We have people running world cups and we have >>>>>>>>>>>>grandmasters playing games, only it's all taking place between two computers in >>>>>>>>>>>>someone's basement. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>It is like watching the news and the lead-off headline is about a gigantic naval >>>>>>>>>>>>battle, and you find out after sitting through three commercials (internet lag >>>>>>>>>>>>to load the page) that the naval battle took place in some kid's bath tub. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>I don't know what should be done about this, but this is annoying and I hope >>>>>>>>>>>>that something can be worked out. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Perhaps these kind of posts can be prefaced with "CM:" or something, so those >>>>>>>>>>>>who couldn't care less could skip them. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>bruce >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I agree. The subject has to be better defined. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Please stop with the current approach. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Is this a moderator issue? As much as I dislike the CM personalities >>>>>>>>>>issues (there is hardly any interest for me), isn't this forum for >>>>>>>>>>everybody? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Ed >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>It is a moderator issue when we get emails complaining about the subjects, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Then as a moderator you could also answer that on CCC we have free speech. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Free speech within bounds. I don't agree with dramatic subject lines that >>>>>>>are misleading. I think it is perfectly within reason to expect that members >>>>>>>choose a reasonable subject line so that others can decide whether or not to >>>>>>>read the thread without having to first read each post to see if you want to >>>>>>>read the posts. Bruce's comment about "World Cup" was right on target. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I don't mind the posts. I would simply like to see the subject line reflect >>>>>>>the true content. And get off the "world cup" and the like nonsense. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>and when the threads here also have complaints about the subjects. I don't >>>>>>>>>mind the chessmaster threads, as I said during moderator elections. But I >>>>>>>>>don't like "world cup underway". A person can't hold a "world cup" event. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Fine with me as long as you say that as a CCC member. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I believe that this falls under the moderator job description. Or should >>>>>>>we simply have Tim delete the subject line option so that you can't tell >>>>>>>what is in _any_ post without reading it? I like the subject title. But >>>>>>>only if it is _really_ the subject. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>So the subject matter is fine. I would just like to see more "truth in >>>>>>>>>subject lines". IE "world championship delayed as fischer is in two groups" >>>>>>>>>is way over the top. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I agree but I got the impression you gave your opinion as a moderator. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Ed >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I did. Complaints from users (more than one) brought this up. I happened >>>>>>>to agree and asked that it be 'fixed'. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Otherwise we will be up to our armpits in world championships, world cups, >>>>>>>international championships... and they will all be played in somebody's >>>>>>>basement on one computer. And have nothing to do with the real WMCCC or WCCC >>>>>>>events. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Most recognize two WC events related to computers. faking up more is simply >>>>>>>confusing/misleading/aggravating. >>>>>> >>>>>>Moderation on a confusing header-line. I can't find it in the CCC >>>>>>charter. You? >>>>>> >>>>>>Ed >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Ever seen a law about driving a little erratically? Yet a police officer >>>>>will stop a car to see why and suggest a little more caution. What if someone >>>>>posts an article "Rebel clobbered by Shredder in world cup match". When you >>>>>read it you discover it is just another personality tournament with a "rebel" >>>>>personality in chessmaster and a "shredder" personality as well. And the world >>>>>cup was played in a basement. >>>> >>>>Peanuts... >>>> >>>>>Do you think new readers would be a bit confused? A _lot_ confused? Isn't it >>>>>more reasonable to simply avoid sensationalism for basement tournaments. When >>>>>several have said that it is misleading? >>>> >>>>Paenuts too. >>>> >>>>You are making CCC a kindergarten.... >>>> >>>>There was absolute no need for the moderators to interfere. Remember the >>>>occasion when you was subject to moderation? How did it feel? That's what >>>>you are doing each time you interfere so it better should be big when you >>>>decide to speak as a moderator using your power, because that is the >>>>position you have as an elected moderator. >>>> >>>>Some people got annoyed about the confusing headers, they expressed their >>>>feelngs in public, case solved. It's called adult behavior. >>>> >>>> >>>>Ed >>> >>>You need to run for the job next time. You are well-known and well-respected >>>enough, and you are willing enough to speak out on moderation topics, that you >>>should have the experience of doing it. >>> >>>bruce >> >>I am just concerned... >> >>Ed > > >About what? A moderator suggesting to a poster that he use more accurate >subject lines? What is there to be concerned about there? I'm beginning to >remember why I have turned down the moderator nomination each and every election >we have had. I remember this nonsense from the first term. > >I was quite honest here when asked to be a moderator. I didn't want the job. >I simply felt obligated since I am also a member, and without volunteers, the >thing won't work. You ought to volunteer next time. It isn't as cut and dried >as you seem to think. > >You will find you can't please _anybody_ when it comes to moderating. But if >you don't moderate, CCC will cease to exist. Just look at r.g.c.c. But for >the moderators, CCC would be _exactly_ the same. > >not a pretty picture.
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