Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 21:39:12 10/08/00
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On October 09, 2000 at 00:20:38, Jay Rinde wrote: > >Since what Bob Hyatt says is so obvious, I can only think that the issue is more >about Bob Hyatt than the issue he raised. I can't believe what I read! I could >run a CM what you want to call it, and head it up "Rinde beats Kasparov" in 24 >moves. Now, would that be misleading? I think this whole thread should be >dumped, since it is getting silly. > > I didn't think I would make a good moderator candidate for this very reason. I can say 2+2 = 4 and a few will take issue with how I worded it. Or what I implied when I said it. Or they will say "hey, + is sometimes used to mean "boolean OR" so 2+2 = 2 in my world. I don't see how you can say 4. that is life here, for the most part. Fortunately, only a few think like that. > > > >On October 08, 2000 at 23:02:24, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>On October 08, 2000 at 19:22:57, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>On October 08, 2000 at 18:02:15, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>> >>>>On October 08, 2000 at 11:39:42, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 08, 2000 at 09:49:51, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On October 08, 2000 at 04:58:50, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On October 07, 2000 at 22:53:20, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On October 07, 2000 at 02:20:09, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On October 06, 2000 at 23:05:22, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On October 06, 2000 at 11:29:46, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On October 06, 2000 at 10:47:36, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On October 06, 2000 at 00:12:07, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>On October 05, 2000 at 22:36:38, Daniel Chancey wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Castle2000 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>OK, this is getting crazy. We have people running world cups and we have >>>>>>>>>>>>>grandmasters playing games, only it's all taking place between two computers in >>>>>>>>>>>>>someone's basement. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>It is like watching the news and the lead-off headline is about a gigantic naval >>>>>>>>>>>>>battle, and you find out after sitting through three commercials (internet lag >>>>>>>>>>>>>to load the page) that the naval battle took place in some kid's bath tub. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't know what should be done about this, but this is annoying and I hope >>>>>>>>>>>>>that something can be worked out. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Perhaps these kind of posts can be prefaced with "CM:" or something, so those >>>>>>>>>>>>>who couldn't care less could skip them. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>bruce >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>I agree. The subject has to be better defined. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Please stop with the current approach. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Is this a moderator issue? As much as I dislike the CM personalities >>>>>>>>>>>issues (there is hardly any interest for me), isn't this forum for >>>>>>>>>>>everybody? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Ed >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>It is a moderator issue when we get emails complaining about the subjects, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Then as a moderator you could also answer that on CCC we have free speech. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Free speech within bounds. I don't agree with dramatic subject lines that >>>>>>>>are misleading. I think it is perfectly within reason to expect that members >>>>>>>>choose a reasonable subject line so that others can decide whether or not to >>>>>>>>read the thread without having to first read each post to see if you want to >>>>>>>>read the posts. Bruce's comment about "World Cup" was right on target. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I don't mind the posts. I would simply like to see the subject line reflect >>>>>>>>the true content. And get off the "world cup" and the like nonsense. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>and when the threads here also have complaints about the subjects. I don't >>>>>>>>>>mind the chessmaster threads, as I said during moderator elections. But I >>>>>>>>>>don't like "world cup underway". A person can't hold a "world cup" event. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Fine with me as long as you say that as a CCC member. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I believe that this falls under the moderator job description. Or should >>>>>>>>we simply have Tim delete the subject line option so that you can't tell >>>>>>>>what is in _any_ post without reading it? I like the subject title. But >>>>>>>>only if it is _really_ the subject. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>So the subject matter is fine. I would just like to see more "truth in >>>>>>>>>>subject lines". IE "world championship delayed as fischer is in two groups" >>>>>>>>>>is way over the top. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I agree but I got the impression you gave your opinion as a moderator. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Ed >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I did. Complaints from users (more than one) brought this up. I happened >>>>>>>>to agree and asked that it be 'fixed'. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Otherwise we will be up to our armpits in world championships, world cups, >>>>>>>>international championships... and they will all be played in somebody's >>>>>>>>basement on one computer. And have nothing to do with the real WMCCC or WCCC >>>>>>>>events. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Most recognize two WC events related to computers. faking up more is simply >>>>>>>>confusing/misleading/aggravating. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Moderation on a confusing header-line. I can't find it in the CCC >>>>>>>charter. You? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Ed >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Ever seen a law about driving a little erratically? Yet a police officer >>>>>>will stop a car to see why and suggest a little more caution. What if someone >>>>>>posts an article "Rebel clobbered by Shredder in world cup match". When you >>>>>>read it you discover it is just another personality tournament with a "rebel" >>>>>>personality in chessmaster and a "shredder" personality as well. And the world >>>>>>cup was played in a basement. >>>>> >>>>>Peanuts... >>>>> >>>>>>Do you think new readers would be a bit confused? A _lot_ confused? Isn't it >>>>>>more reasonable to simply avoid sensationalism for basement tournaments. When >>>>>>several have said that it is misleading? >>>>> >>>>>Paenuts too. >>>>> >>>>>You are making CCC a kindergarten.... >>>>> >>>>>There was absolute no need for the moderators to interfere. Remember the >>>>>occasion when you was subject to moderation? How did it feel? That's what >>>>>you are doing each time you interfere so it better should be big when you >>>>>decide to speak as a moderator using your power, because that is the >>>>>position you have as an elected moderator. >>>>> >>>>>Some people got annoyed about the confusing headers, they expressed their >>>>>feelngs in public, case solved. It's called adult behavior. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Ed >>>> >>>>You need to run for the job next time. You are well-known and well-respected >>>>enough, and you are willing enough to speak out on moderation topics, that you >>>>should have the experience of doing it. >>>> >>>>bruce >>> >>>I am just concerned... >>> >>>Ed >> >> >>About what? A moderator suggesting to a poster that he use more accurate >>subject lines? What is there to be concerned about there? I'm beginning to >>remember why I have turned down the moderator nomination each and every election >>we have had. I remember this nonsense from the first term. >> >>I was quite honest here when asked to be a moderator. I didn't want the job. >>I simply felt obligated since I am also a member, and without volunteers, the >>thing won't work. You ought to volunteer next time. It isn't as cut and dried >>as you seem to think. >> >>You will find you can't please _anybody_ when it comes to moderating. But if >>you don't moderate, CCC will cease to exist. Just look at r.g.c.c. But for >>the moderators, CCC would be _exactly_ the same. >> >>not a pretty picture.
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