Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 08:50:17 10/09/00
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On October 09, 2000 at 11:19:18, Oliver Roese wrote: >On October 09, 2000 at 10:06:35, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On October 09, 2000 at 00:42:38, Oliver Roese wrote: >> >>>On October 08, 2000 at 22:14:45, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On October 08, 2000 at 12:32:27, Oliver Roese wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 08, 2000 at 09:35:04, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On October 08, 2000 at 09:28:44, Mike S. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Should programs be able, or be allowed, to move in *zero* seconds of thinking >>>>>>>time? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I don't think so (except when the pondering prepared for an opponent's move >>>>>>>which is actually played), but I'd like to hear what others, especially blitz >>>>>>>players or users who have programs play blitz/lightning at servers, think about >>>>>>>this. Is it fair, to make series of moves in zero seconds? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Probably, long sequences of very low quality moves in engine matches could be >>>>>>>avoided also, by forcing a minimum of 1 second (i.e. as a common standard in >>>>>>>computer chess programs). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks, >>>>>>>M.Scheidl >>>>>> >>>>>>Programs only move in zero seconds in three cases that I know of. >>>>>> >>>>>>1. book move. The assumption is that someone/something has already spent >>>>>>a lot of time in choosing these moves. >>>>>> >>>>>>2. forced move (only legal move). There is no reason to search at all if >>>>>>you have no choice, legally. >>>>>> >>>>>>3. Pondering. These moves are not really made in zero seconds. It just so >>>>>>happens that all the calculation was done while waiting on the opponent. >>>>>> >>>>>>Humans do exactly the same thing. I have seen them make several 0-second moves >>>>>>in a row. I am not sure why you think this is a problem? >>>>> >>>>>He. >>>>>It _is_ a problem. >>>>>If you dont think so, let me play a reasonable amount of games with 2 12 >>>>>controls and i am happy to expect some win of ratingpoints. >>>>>Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Oliver >>>> >>>> >>>>I'll be more than happy to let you try. Just tell me when, what handle you >>>>will be using, and which server you want to play on. >>> >>>I accept your challenge. >>>My timezone is europe/berlin, which is currently = GMT + 2. >>>I am best available on saturday or sunday or if that not fits after 17:00, my >>>timezone. >>>My handle on fics is "roese". >>>I would suggest 4 games with 2 12 controls. >>>I expect to loose most of them, but hope to win a few ratingpoints nevertheless. >>> >>>Oliver >> >> >>For this Saturday, it will have to be late, US time. As I have mentioned >>previously, my daughter is getting married this Saturday, 5PM CST, at my >>house. We will be tied up well beyond that. I will probably be on late >>Saturday, or perhaps around 9PM on Sunday evening... > >Best wishes and a lucky future to your daughter! >Keep in mind, that i dont intend to hurt anyone. If i did, i apologize for it. > >Oliver Didn't insult me one bit, so no apology necessary. We have had other such challenges here in the past (one was someone thinking their anti-computer strategy would produce more wins vs Crafty than rating differences would suggest. We played > 50 games before he finally got to a drawn position and we abandoned the match.)
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