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Subject: Re: The weakness of showing too many games before the match begins

Author: Jorge Pichard

Date: 12:03:49 10/09/00

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On October 09, 2000 at 14:44:13, Jorge Pichard wrote:

>On October 09, 2000 at 11:52:32, Peter Skinner wrote:
>
>>On October 09, 2000 at 11:41:08, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>
>>>On October 09, 2000 at 11:05:33, Johan Havegheer wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 09, 2000 at 10:06:41, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 09, 2000 at 09:56:37, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Please don't get me wrong, I admire Christophe programs and think very high of
>>>>>>his progamming skills, but against this group of programs, I would have to place
>>>>>>Tiger either 2nd or 3rd, but my favorite to win the overall match is
>>>>>>Nimzo 8.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nimzo ??? this will be interesting. they had to play before again...
>>>>>now new versions.
>>>>>when is the event ?
>>>>
>>>>Starts next weekend (14-15 oktober and 21-22 oktober)
>>>>Also Bart Weststraete is back with a new version of Kallisto.
>>>>I think Fritz, Nimzo and Chess Tiger are the favorites.
>>
>>I can see Fritz and Tiger being labelled as a favorite, but Nimzo 8's only real
>>test in competition was the WCCC and it feel flat on it's face. I love the Nimzo
>>programs, but really it didn't do well there, and I do not expect to see it do
>>well here.
>>
>>ChessTiger is playing unbelieveably well, ans as a beta tester, I know the raw
>>power that comes from it. I would have to say it is extremely stronger than the
>>version 12.0e that was out last year, and took #1 on the SSDF list. Tiger II
>>version 13.0 is incredible.
>>
>>My point was proven as I am running it on a PIII 450 and I easily beat 1Ghz
>>machines all the time, and actually up until last night was _undefeated_ on
>>Chess.net after almost 150 games.
>>
>>I am in the top 5 on FICS with it.
>>
>>Look at Species(C) on FICS, or Webkikr(C) on Chess.net to see how well it is
>>doing.
>>
>Testing Tiger at a fast time control vs other programs and at normal time
>control are two separate issues all together, when you mentioned that both
>accounts are doing well are you saying that with one account you are playing at
>a standard time control vs other programs and humans as well?
>
>Pichard.
> n
>>Both accounts are doing very well.
>>
>>I would have to say that Tiger will win. Fritz is a possibility as well, but my
>>money is on Tiger. At the final roar, I think Tiger will be champ.

There is one disadvantage of showing too many games either by testing the
beta version of Tiger in the CCC or by playing at the FICS Species (C) or
Chess.net Webkikr (C). The other programmers are constantly collecting Games
Weakness of the program being tested as a beta version in this case the Tiger
Beta tester are showing too many games. You don't see the beta testers of Quest
or the King program other than CM8000 which is totally a different program and
it plays different than the commercial Chessmaster or Beta version of CM8000,
furthermore, there has not been too many games shown of the new version of
Nimzo 8, which to my judgement did very good except for a minor bug which has
been debugged as far as I know. Just wait for the surprise of those programs
that are not showing their weakness by their beta testers posting the majority
of their tested games


Pichard.



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