Author: Jorge Pichard
Date: 12:39:29 10/09/00
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On October 09, 2000 at 15:14:42, Uri Blass wrote: >On October 09, 2000 at 15:03:49, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>On October 09, 2000 at 14:44:13, Jorge Pichard wrote: >> >>>On October 09, 2000 at 11:52:32, Peter Skinner wrote: >>> >>>>On October 09, 2000 at 11:41:08, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 09, 2000 at 11:05:33, Johan Havegheer wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On October 09, 2000 at 10:06:41, Thorsten Czub wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On October 09, 2000 at 09:56:37, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Please don't get me wrong, I admire Christophe programs and think very high of >>>>>>>>his progamming skills, but against this group of programs, I would have to place >>>>>>>>Tiger either 2nd or 3rd, but my favorite to win the overall match is >>>>>>>>Nimzo 8. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Nimzo ??? this will be interesting. they had to play before again... >>>>>>>now new versions. >>>>>>>when is the event ? >>>>>> >>>>>>Starts next weekend (14-15 oktober and 21-22 oktober) >>>>>>Also Bart Weststraete is back with a new version of Kallisto. >>>>>>I think Fritz, Nimzo and Chess Tiger are the favorites. >>>> >>>>I can see Fritz and Tiger being labelled as a favorite, but Nimzo 8's only real >>>>test in competition was the WCCC and it feel flat on it's face. I love the Nimzo >>>>programs, but really it didn't do well there, and I do not expect to see it do >>>>well here. >>>> >>>>ChessTiger is playing unbelieveably well, ans as a beta tester, I know the raw >>>>power that comes from it. I would have to say it is extremely stronger than the >>>>version 12.0e that was out last year, and took #1 on the SSDF list. Tiger II >>>>version 13.0 is incredible. >>>> >>>>My point was proven as I am running it on a PIII 450 and I easily beat 1Ghz >>>>machines all the time, and actually up until last night was _undefeated_ on >>>>Chess.net after almost 150 games. >>>> >>>>I am in the top 5 on FICS with it. >>>> >>>>Look at Species(C) on FICS, or Webkikr(C) on Chess.net to see how well it is >>>>doing. >>>> >>>Testing Tiger at a fast time control vs other programs and at normal time >>>control are two separate issues all together, when you mentioned that both >>>accounts are doing well are you saying that with one account you are playing at >>>a standard time control vs other programs and humans as well? >>> >>>Pichard. >>> n >>>>Both accounts are doing very well. >>>> >>>>I would have to say that Tiger will win. Fritz is a possibility as well, but my >>>>money is on Tiger. At the final roar, I think Tiger will be champ. >> >>There is one disadvantage of showing too many games either by testing the >>beta version of Tiger in the CCC or by playing at the FICS Species (C) or >>Chess.net Webkikr (C). The other programmers are constantly collecting Games >>Weakness of the program being tested as a beta version in this case the Tiger >>Beta tester are showing too many games. You don't see the beta testers of Quest >>or the King program other than CM8000 which is totally a different program and >>it plays different than the commercial Chessmaster or Beta version of CM8000, >>furthermore, there has not been too many games shown of the new version of >>Nimzo 8, which to my judgement did very good except for a minor bug which has >>been debugged as far as I know. Just wait for the surprise of those programs >>that are not showing their weakness by their beta testers posting the majority >>of their tested games > >I disagree. >I do not think that the other programmers can improve their programs >significantly in a short time and I believe that they need more time to take >advantage of knowing the weaknesses of chesstiger. > >They also have a lot of opponents and I do not think that they use their time to >prepare against chess tiger. > >Uri Simply by preparing a certain line against a well known opponent is sufficient and with Tiger excessive tested games which has been posted, it is very simple to accomplish. I am not saying that this will be the case but the data is available. Now for the rest of the programs, besides Quest Tiger and Nimzo 8 the battle could be won without any prepared lines, simply stated they are not in the same class, and with luck could probably get a 3rd place, sorry but Kallisto and Diep will have to fight hard to get 3rd place at the most. Pichard.
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