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Subject: Re: The real battle is just among Quest Tiger Nimzo 8 for first place

Author: Jorge Pichard

Date: 12:39:29 10/09/00

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On October 09, 2000 at 15:14:42, Uri Blass wrote:

>On October 09, 2000 at 15:03:49, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>
>>On October 09, 2000 at 14:44:13, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>On October 09, 2000 at 11:52:32, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 09, 2000 at 11:41:08, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 09, 2000 at 11:05:33, Johan Havegheer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On October 09, 2000 at 10:06:41, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On October 09, 2000 at 09:56:37, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Please don't get me wrong, I admire Christophe programs and think very high of
>>>>>>>>his progamming skills, but against this group of programs, I would have to place
>>>>>>>>Tiger either 2nd or 3rd, but my favorite to win the overall match is
>>>>>>>>Nimzo 8.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nimzo ??? this will be interesting. they had to play before again...
>>>>>>>now new versions.
>>>>>>>when is the event ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Starts next weekend (14-15 oktober and 21-22 oktober)
>>>>>>Also Bart Weststraete is back with a new version of Kallisto.
>>>>>>I think Fritz, Nimzo and Chess Tiger are the favorites.
>>>>
>>>>I can see Fritz and Tiger being labelled as a favorite, but Nimzo 8's only real
>>>>test in competition was the WCCC and it feel flat on it's face. I love the Nimzo
>>>>programs, but really it didn't do well there, and I do not expect to see it do
>>>>well here.
>>>>
>>>>ChessTiger is playing unbelieveably well, ans as a beta tester, I know the raw
>>>>power that comes from it. I would have to say it is extremely stronger than the
>>>>version 12.0e that was out last year, and took #1 on the SSDF list. Tiger II
>>>>version 13.0 is incredible.
>>>>
>>>>My point was proven as I am running it on a PIII 450 and I easily beat 1Ghz
>>>>machines all the time, and actually up until last night was _undefeated_ on
>>>>Chess.net after almost 150 games.
>>>>
>>>>I am in the top 5 on FICS with it.
>>>>
>>>>Look at Species(C) on FICS, or Webkikr(C) on Chess.net to see how well it is
>>>>doing.
>>>>
>>>Testing Tiger at a fast time control vs other programs and at normal time
>>>control are two separate issues all together, when you mentioned that both
>>>accounts are doing well are you saying that with one account you are playing at
>>>a standard time control vs other programs and humans as well?
>>>
>>>Pichard.
>>> n
>>>>Both accounts are doing very well.
>>>>
>>>>I would have to say that Tiger will win. Fritz is a possibility as well, but my
>>>>money is on Tiger. At the final roar, I think Tiger will be champ.
>>
>>There is one disadvantage of showing too many games either by testing the
>>beta version of Tiger in the CCC or by playing at the FICS Species (C) or
>>Chess.net Webkikr (C). The other programmers are constantly collecting Games
>>Weakness of the program being tested as a beta version in this case the Tiger
>>Beta tester are showing too many games. You don't see the beta testers of Quest
>>or the King program other than CM8000 which is totally a different program and
>>it plays different than the commercial Chessmaster or Beta version of CM8000,
>>furthermore, there has not been too many games shown of the new version of
>>Nimzo 8, which to my judgement did very good except for a minor bug which has
>>been debugged as far as I know. Just wait for the surprise of those programs
>>that are not showing their weakness by their beta testers posting the majority
>>of their tested games
>
>I disagree.
>I do not think that the other programmers can improve their programs
>significantly in a short time and I believe that they need more time to take
>advantage of knowing the weaknesses of chesstiger.
>
>They also have a lot of opponents and I do not think that they use their time to
>prepare against chess tiger.
>
>Uri

Simply by preparing a certain line against a well known opponent is sufficient
and with Tiger excessive tested games which has been posted, it is very simple
to accomplish. I am not saying that this will be the case but the data is
available. Now for the rest of the programs, besides Quest Tiger and Nimzo 8
the battle could be won without any prepared lines, simply stated they are not
in the same class, and with luck could probably get a 3rd place, sorry but
Kallisto and Diep will have to fight hard to get 3rd place at the most.

Pichard.



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