Author: pavel
Date: 02:39:55 10/10/00
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On October 09, 2000 at 11:57:00, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>On October 09, 2000 at 07:06:41, pavel wrote:
>
>>On October 09, 2000 at 06:30:32, Francesco Di Tolla wrote:
>>
>>>On October 09, 2000 at 05:48:35, pavel wrote:
>>>>3) gandalf : 29 (+ 6,= 2,- 21), 24.1 %
>>>>
>>>>wbnimzo2000b : 20 (+ 2,= 2,- 16), 15.0 %
>>>>anmon : 4 (+ 2,= 0,- 2), 50.0 %
>>>>yace : 5 (+ 2,= 0,- 3), 40.0 %
>>>
>>>not an impressive test, from the point of view of statitical relevance.
>>>I guess that this mostly tells us that for sure gandalf does not like nizmo
>>>play. This does prove little on the true strength in my oininon.
>>>
>>>regards
>>>Franz
>>
>>actually the whole idea of playing more games against nimzo was that,
>>before the release of gandalf they posted rather very impressive results of
>>gandalf against nimzo (6-1 for gandalf twice), that gave us an impression that
>>gandalf is significantly better than nimzo, and comparable with fritz6a
>>(according to the beta-testers).
>>I couldnt reproduce such result...
>>
>>though I too believe games against other programs is necessary to draw any kinda
>>conclusion or even have a "good guess".
>>
>>but I have gone through most of the games, couldnt find anything that might led
>>to "gandalf not liking nimzo style of play",
>>
>>one thing for sure, it doesnt like short time control games ;)
>>
>>Pavel
>
>Hi,
>
>a rating list with blitz games can be found on the webpage by Andreas Herrmann.
>Andreas played with WinBoard Engines.
>
>I think that Fritz is in Blitz 50 ELO better then Gandalf but not on longer time
>controls. Gandalf have a lot of chess knowledge and it is not a Blitz program. I
>have a lot of Gandalf results from different people, also my CCE results. Clear
>is, that Gandalf played in my opinion the best middelgame what I saw, is for
>analyses the best program and is one of the best 5 available programs. I can not
>more make as to added games on my webpage or test results in the readme files.
>
>The problem is the endgame. Gandalf played not bad in endgame but I think other
>commercial programs are a little bit better.
>
>So we have a new TOP program with played in my opinion the best king attacks and
>fantastic combinations in middelgame.
>
>When you have interest on Blitz games I think it is better to play with LGoliath
>or Fritz (Fritz is also good for games with longer time controls). I have no
>interest on Blitz games. OK, I played also Gandalf test games with Blitz time
>controls but only for the beta test. I mean for a test to check different time
>controls under Chess-Base GUIs. Gandalf played perfect with the WinBoard adapter
>under Chess-Base GUIs.
>
>Best
>Frank
Hi frank,
I am also not very interested in blitz games, the idea was know if it
plays bad in blitz games compare to other programs, my opinion is that it plays
better in standard time control than blitz games..
One thing I liked about gandalf is that its understanding about drawn position
is much better than most available programs.
in longer time controls it seems to play better, but I still doubt if it is
comparable to fritz6.
thanks
Pavel
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