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Subject: Re: Off-topic: copy protection

Author: Michael Cummings

Date: 00:03:11 10/11/00

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On October 10, 2000 at 16:56:40, Dave Gomboc wrote:

>On October 10, 2000 at 15:41:27, Andrew Dados wrote:
>
>>There is one old and clever technique to 100% copy-protect a CD, but expensive.
>>It would require building custom burners for making original cds.
>>
>>The concept is to burn some part of track (lets call it a sector) with very poor
>>quality, so average read on that sector will give you errors. You'll need some
>>500 reads and average them to get 'true' content. Statistical analysis over many
>>reads can be used to proof originality.
>
>People used to protect games that were distributed on floppy disks in very
>similar ways.  In fact, the more programmable the disk drive, the wackier things
>copy protectors would get it to do.  I've seen software access track 255 on the
>floppy drives that were used with the commodore 64.  Keep in mind now that on a
>normally-formatted disk for the 1540/1541 drives there were 35 tracks, and
>trying to move the head to read track 255 would break your disk drive.  Needless
>to say, the track gap had been altered so that several tracks all partially
>overlapped each other.  This also had the side effect that if a program was dumb
>enough to try to read and write tracks 1, 2, 3, 4 ... instead of tracks 1, 12,
>19, 34 ... that the data would be misread and miscopied.
>
>All in all, the bottom line is that the devices are not constructed to be
>read-only for some portions of the media, so if you can read a disc recorded in
>some funky format, you can replicate it.
>
>Of course, this doesn't even consider that someone will simply write a crack to
>skip the code that is intended to verify that the copy protection is in place.
>I still recall with fondness one warez bragg that I read as a kid: "Copy
>protection in a routine! Dumbest idea yet!"  Today, I'd imagine that more people
>licence or outsource their copy-protection code than ever.
>
>>There are other ways to make a custom CD impossible to copy in a burner. (Like
>>write a replacement driver to understand checksums in a different way. Normal
>>driver could not read such a CD). Another way is to access small data stub
>>prewritten on a blank CD in factory. Or write your own iso-9660 replacement :)
>
>The same argument applies here.  If you can do it, so can somebody else.  Okay,
>maybe nobody would bother just for a chess program, but for something used
>regularly and consistently (e.g. SDMI for future audio recordings), expect it to
>not take long!  Maybe it won't play on SDMI-compliant devices (due to hardware
>features), but it will play on everything else!
>
>>-Andrew-
>
>Dave

Someone will make software to adapt to all these possililities, if it not
already out there it soon will. I have yet to find a program that is protected.
Playstation games (Sony Corp) are suppose to have the best and most advanced
copy protection on their cd's. I have yet come accross one I could not copy with
my software and cd burner.




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