Author: Fernando Villegas
Date: 05:27:40 12/26/97
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On December 25, 1997 at 15:44:53, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>I have all Mchess versions since 1,06 and with this last I have played
>>extensively at 40 moves / 1 hour and my impression is that is a hell of
>>strong. I am 2150 or something player and so I get points from almost
>>every program, at least 15 to 20% of the time, but with MCP7 I have lost
>>ALL the games. It has no mercy and works around incredible well fitted
>>books. Nothing here is just piling lines, but lines tunned to unleash
>>all the force of the engine. My guess is that in the next SSDF rating it
>>will confirm to be once of the two strongerst engines available.
>
>Hm. My results so far, especially against Nimzo98 are not that good.
>In the moment I let Hiarcs6 play vs. Mchess7.
>It is the first game and move 27. Hiarcs say -428 and Mchess is still in
>book and has not computed much. Opening was b03 alekhine- four pawn's
>attack.
>I guess this first game is pretty worthless because it only shows me
>something about the "beautiful" opening book instead of the strength of
>the new engine.
>But I let it run some more moves to see how deep the Mchess7 book-line
>is.
>Now it is the 29. move and Mchess STILL in book.
>
>On which results or feelings do you extrapolate your :
>Mchess7 will be one of the strongest engines sentence ?
On the results of my experience. I compare what happens in games against
MCP6 and with his succesor. With both I lose, but the last is faster and
sharper to do it. Better ending in MY feeling. You asked personal
opinions and that's what I have given. No test, just my playing.
>If you want i can report more about my games.
>In the moment the game is in move 37 and still mcp7 has NOT computed.
>Those opening lines will - of course - help the program to be ranked
>high in the ssdf-list ... :-)
>I have nothing against a nice opening book. But - as this is the first
>autoplayer game against a KNOWN opponent program, the way it develops is
>not very amusing. I guess there is no doubt that THOSE lines can only
>come into a book when autoplayer-results are dumped and merged into a
>book.
>Only hiarcs6 would have played this line this way, or ?
>So those lines are specific. And they "work" only against hiarcs6.
>As hiarcs6 is a good high ranked program, this would result in
>decreasing of hiarcs6 rating and increasing of mcp7 rating.
>I was the one who defended hiarcs6 against killer-book rumours.
>I think mcp7 could be a strong chess program. I - on the other hand -
>wonder if this is really necessary...
>
>Here is the line so far...
>
>
>[Event "60/60"]
>[Site "k6/200"]
>[Date "1997.12.25"]
>[Round "1"]
>[White "MCP7"]
>[Black "HIARCS6"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>
>1.e4 Nf6 {H6: 01 1...Nf6 = 0}
>2.e5 Nd5 {H6: 01 2...Nd5 = 0}
>3.d4 d6 {H6: 01 3...d6 = 0}
>4.c4 Nb6 {H6: 01 4...Nb6 = 0}
>5.f4 dxe5 {H6: 01 5...dxe5 = 0}
>6.fxe5 Nc6 {H6: 01 6...Nc6 = 0}
>7.Be3 Bf5 {H6: 01 7...Bf5 = 0}
>8.Nc3 e6 {H6: 01 8...e6 = 0}
>9.Nf3 Qd7 {H6: 01 9...Qd7 = 0}
>10.Be2 O-O-O {H6: 01 10...O-O-O = 0}
>11.O-O Bg4 {H6: 01 11...Bg4 = 0}
>12.c5 Nd5 {H6: 01 12...Nd5 = 0}
>13.Nxd5 Qxd5 {H6: 01 13...Qxd5 = 0}
>14.Ng5 Bxe2 {H6: 01 14...Bxe2 = 0}
>15.Qxe2 Nxd4 {H6: 01 15...Nxd4 = 0}
>16.Bxd4 Qxd4+ {H6: 01 16...Qxd4+ = 0}
>17.Kh1 Qd2 {H6: 01 17...Qd2 = 0}
>18.Qxd2 Rxd2 {H6: 01 18...Rxd2 = 0}
>19.Rxf7 Bxc5 {H6: 01 19...Bxc5 = 0}
>20.Nxe6 Bb6 {H6: 01 20...Bb6 = 0}
>21.Nxg7 Bd4 {H6: 01 21...Bd4 = 0}
>22.e6 Bxb2 {H6: 01 22...Bxb2 = 0}
>23.Raf1 c5 {H6: 08 23...c5 e7 Bxg7 Rxg7 Re8 Rxh7 Kd7 Re1 Rxa2 Kg1 =
>-7}
>24.h4 Re2 {H6: 09 24...Re2 e7 Bxg7 Rxg7 Re8 Rxh7 R8xe7 Rxe7 Rxe7 Rc1 b6
>g4 =
> -23}
>25.Rb1 Be5 {H6: 09 25...Be5 Rfxb7 Rxa2 Nf5 Ra6 R7b5 Rxe6 Rxc5+ Kd8 Rxe5
>Rxe5
>Rb8+ Kc7 Rxh8 Rxf5 Rxh7+ Kb6 = -190}
>26.Rfxb7 Rxa2 {H6: 09 26...Rxa2 e7 Ra4 g3 Rb4 e8=Q+ Rxe8 R7xb4 cxb4
>Nxe8 Kd8
>Rxb4 Kxe8 = -254}
>27.Nf5 Ra6 {H6: 08 27...Ra6 R7b5 Ra1 Rxc5+ Kd8 Rxa1 = -428}
>28.R7b5 Rc6 {H6: 09 28...Rc6 Ne7+ Kc7 Rb7+ Kd6 Rd1+ Bd4 Nxc6 Kxc6 Rxa7
>Re8
>e7 h5 Rc1 = -428}
>29.Ne7+ Kc7 {H6: 09 29...Kc7 Ra5 Re8 Rxa7+ Kd6 Rbb7 Rxe7 Rxe7 Bf6 Rxh7
>Kxe6
>g4 = -431}
>30.Rb7+ Kd6 {H6: 10 30...Kd6 Rd1+ Bd4 Nxc6 Kxc6 Rxa7 h5 Ra6+ Kd5 Rf1 c4
>e7
>Re8 Ra5 = -415}
>31.Nxc6 Kxc6 {H6: 10 31...Kxc6 Rxa7 = -412}
>32.Rxa7 Re8 {H6: 10 32...Re8 Rxh7 Rxe6 Ra7 Kd5 g4 Rg6 Rd1+ Bd4 g5 =
>-414}
>33.Rxh7 Rxe6 {H6: 10 33...Rxe6 g4 c4 Kg2 c3 Kf3 Bd6 Rc1 Rf6+ Ke2 Be5 =
>-437}
>34.g4 c4 {H6: 09 34...c4 g5 = -451}
>35.Kg2 c3 {H6: 09 35...c3 Ra7 Kd5 h5 Re8 Rd1+ Ke6 Ra6+ Ke7 g5 Rf8 Rc6 =
>-490}
>36.Kf3 Rf6+ {H6: 09 36...Rf6+ Ke4 Bg3 Kd3 Rf3+ Kc2 Be5 g5 Rf2+ Kd3 =
>-477}
>37.Ke2 Rd6 {H6: 09 37...Rd6 Rd1 Rg6 Kf3 Rf6+ Ke4 Bf4 Kd3 Rg6 g5 Be5 =
>-478}
>38.Rd1 Rg6 {H6: 09 38...Rg6 g5 = -489}
> *
>And Mchess7 computed the first time in the 38th move.
>
>
>
>
>BTW: I am using 2x k6/200 with 60/60 time-control.
>I am using /x mode for both programs.
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