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Subject: Re: M-Chess Pro7 : strength ??

Author: Amir Ban

Date: 08:30:40 12/26/97

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On December 26, 1997 at 10:59:45, Thorsten Czub wrote:


>My mood while watching Mchess7 reduces more and more.
>I have seen bishop-game where Mchess was 27 moves deep in book meanwhile
>hiarcs computed a while.
>Now I see c28 vienna game happening and we are in the 32.move and mchess
>still in book. One game after the other is cooked out somewhere else
>(sandro necci, or in massive autoplayer-games-merged into many
>booklines), and I don't see much sense in doing this.
>WHO can trust that these games, if played under the same conditions as
>in the original "citchen" , will not result in the same LOSS for hiarcs
>?
>I play 100 games hiarcs6 vs. mcp7 and make an opening book out of the 30
>losses of hiarcs6.
>Now I put these 30 games into a book.
>When stupid customer or ssdf-guy plays mchess7 vs. hiarcs6 he will get
>openings beginning in exactly these 30 losses and also some other
>openings caused by whatever circumstances.
>
>I think this helps mchess7 to get a better score at all. And hiarcs gets
>a weaker one. But hiarcs was released before mcp7, so it cannot defend
>much.
>Ok - they all have learning algorithms, but I doubt that these mechanism
>will always help...not from my experience, what I have seen.

This sounds incredible. Incredibly stupid, IMO.

Doesn't all this mean that the professional programs don't have enough
variation in their tournament book ? Looks to me like they painted
themselves into a corner and are playing an obscure book-war. What good
would these obscene practices have against a program that plays a
different line every time ?

Amir






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