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Subject: Re: new paradigm !

Author: Enrique Irazoqui

Date: 07:38:46 10/15/00

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On October 15, 2000 at 10:36:02, Thorsten Czub wrote:

>On October 15, 2000 at 08:56:16, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>
>>On the other hand (damn, there is so often another side to things), what does it
>>tell you the fact that Gambit loses to Tiger, while crushing programs with a
>>weak king-safety code?
>
>thats normal. i do not believe testing a chess program against its predecessors
>makes ANY sense at all.

Obviously, but you misunderstand. Tiger 13 and Gambit 1 are contemporary. Tiger
beats Gambit. Now, why.

Enrique

> you will not find out that the NEW engine is stronger.
>e.g. christophe would not have been able to find out that gambit-tiger
>is stronger by letting it play against normal-tiger.
>only playing with the program
>against:
>
>a) all other programs
>b) humans
>
>and doing
>
>c) test positions
>
>gives you an overview.
>
>this - of course - needs time.
>
>but let version x play against x+1
>definetely NOT a method to find out about the strengh of a chess program.
>
>the reason is easy: the amount of similar algorithms that fight
>each other is too high. it is like a human beeing who should be able
>to judge himself. this is also not very good possible, we need
>friends with DIFFERENT point of views to correlate our own opinion well.
>
>same in computerchess as in human-life. instead of analysing yourself,
>you should better talk with friends.
>
>> Speculative programs will be great, to some extent they
>>already are, but do they need further refinement, suppleness, increased
>>knowledge! For the moment, when I watch their games sometimes the word
>>"brilliant", sometimes "fireworks" come to my mind.
>
>you always talk about "speculative programs". but it is more than that.
>the programs shall not only have a speculative evaluation function,
>they shall also PLAN something within the game.
>it is one plan to mate the king.
>
>
>>Enrique



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