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Subject: Re: typical: a sensation happens and nobody here registers it !

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 18:35:33 10/15/00

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On October 14, 2000 at 16:15:17, Thorsten Czub wrote:

>[Event "Open Dutch CC 2000"]
>[Site "Leiden NED"]
>[Date "2000.10.14"]
>[Round "02"]
>[White "Tiger"]
>[Black "Nimzo 8"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[ECO "D20"]
>
>1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.e4 Nf6 4.e5 Nd5 5.Bxc4 Nb6 6.Bb3 Nc6 7.Ne2 Bf5
>8.Nbc3 e6 9.a3 Qd7 10.O-O Be7 11.Be3 O-O-O 12.Rc1 f6 13.exf6 gxf6
>14.Na4 Nd5 15.Bc4 Na5 16.Ba2 Bg4 17.Nac3 Nxc3 18.Rxc3 Kb8 19.f3 Bh5
>20.b4 Nc6 21.b5 Na5 22.Qa4 b6 23.Nf4 Bf7 24.Rfc1 Bd6 25.Nd3 Rhg8
>26.Nc5 Bxc5 27.dxc5 e5 28.Bxf7 Qxf7 29.cxb6 cxb6 30.Qc2 Qg6 31.Qa2 f5
>32.Kh1 f4 33.Bg1 h5 34.Qe2 Qf6 35.a4 h4 36.h3 Qg5 37.R1c2 Rd7
>38.Qe1 Rdg7 39.Qe4 Rd7 40.Qe2 Rgd8 41.Qe1 Qe7 42.Qe4 Qg5
>
>Here the thing begins !
>Rc6 is an easy move for Gambit-Tiger. It KNOWS that these kind
>of moves are playable. and it gives the rook to make the bishop
>on g1 active.
>no search-based chess program can see this IMO.
>this is the paradigm-shift.
>
>gambit-tiger believes that this move could make it.
>it is not KNOWING it. it trusts the evaluations and the
>knowledge it has.
>
>thats chris whittingtons way. here you see christophe
>walking in the foot-steps of chris...
>
>leaving the hyatt-paradigm.


I have to disagree.  It is not hard to tune my (or any other) program to
play this move.  If you watch gambit tiger play, it has some _outrageous_
scores.  In a game on ICC the other night, Crafty was at -.2, gambit tiger
was at +3.2...  would you care to guess _which_ was right?  I will be more
impressed when I see lots of such moves where _most_ are right...  IE CSTal
finds great looking moves that often backfire.  Too often.

Speculation is one thing.  Accuracy is another.  There _is_ a middle
ground...




>
>is there any chess program playing Rc6 ?
>
>brilliant. i hope more will follow.
>because this steps into a new quality in computerchess.
>the moment when chess programs BELIEVE !!!! instead of knowing.
>or seeing in the tree.


This is so inherently dangerous it is obvious.  Just because you _believe_
you can walk on water doesn't make it so.  You had better _know_...  If you
are only 10 feet from shore, you might not drown.  In the middle of the Pacific,
you had better be _certain_ you can walk...




>
>
>43.Rc6 Nxc6
>44.bxc6 Rc7 45.a5 bxa5 46.Qe2 a4 47.Qb5+ Ka8 48.Qxa4 Qf6 49.Qa5 Qe7
>50.Re2 Rdc8 51.Rxe5 Qg7 52.Qe1 a6 53.Qe2 Rxc6 54.Re7 Qc3 55.Kh2 Qb4
>56.Ra7+ Kb8 57.Qe5+ R8c7 58.Qh8+ Rc8 59.Qxh4 Rc1 60.Bf2 R1c6
>61.Qg5 R8c7 62.Qg8+ Rc8 63.Qg7 R8c7 64.Qh8+ Rc8 65.Qe5+ R8c7 66.h4 Rc2
>67.Bd4 R2c4 68.Qe8+ Rc8 69.Qe4 R8c6 70.Rd7 a5 71.Be5+ Ka8 72.Rd8+ Ka7
>73.Qh7+ Ka6 74.Rb8 Rb6 75.Ra8+ Kb5 76.Qd7+ Rcc6 77.Bc7 Qe1 78.Re8 Qxh4+
>79.Kg1 Qf6 80.Re5+ Kc4 81.Bxb6 Qxe5 82.Qxc6+ Kb3 83.Qe4 Qa1+
>84.Kf2 Qb2+ 85.Qe2 Qxe2+ 86.Kxe2 a4 87.Kd2 a3 88.Ba5 a2 1-0
>
>typical for this forum that nobody registers.
>
>i guess the nimzo-team has registered it.
>maybe chrilly himself, when he was in leiden knows about.



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