Author: Uri Blass
Date: 13:24:08 10/17/00
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On October 17, 2000 at 16:01:14, Mogens Larsen wrote: >On October 17, 2000 at 15:11:32, Christophe Theron wrote: > >>It is not a single move in a single game. >> >>Such moves happen often in Gambit Tiger's games. >> >>But each time such a game or move has been shown here you complained about the >>beta testers doing propaganda. >> >>But Gambit Tiger has actually done it in a serious tournament against one of the >>best program. >> >>This time, sorry, it cannot be propaganda anymore. > >No, this time it's just conclusions based on no facts whatsoever. Not exactly an >improvement. You can try to convince yourself as much as you want that you've >actually discovered something profound, but your opinion is not enough. This >game was used as proof of that. It isn't. > >Actually it's something of an insult that you can support someone like Thorsten >degrading all other computer chess programs on the basis of this particular >move. Maybe you've adopted the attitude of CW as well. Propaganda and insult is >quite an achievement in one thread. I do not think that christophe insults other programmers. My memory tells me the opposite. I do not like the posts of part of the beta testers but it is not christophe's fault. > >I seem to have find somone even better at displaying arrogance than myself. >Didn't think it was possible. > >>You can't pretend to be more informed. >> >>You don't have Gambit Tiger. Thorsten has it, and so far he has been playing a >>lot of games with it. >> >>How is it possible to be more informed about what this engine can do? >> >> >>I don't think it's a useless quibbling about games and numbers. >> >>We have already seen on this message board people taking an interesting sac from >>a human game and try to analyse it with computers. And it has created long >>threads. >> >> >>Why doing the same with an interesting sac played by a computer is considered >>"shouting from the roof tops"??? >> >>If "Kasparov is a genius, he played XxY sac!!!" is allowed here, why "Gambit is >>doing something new, it played the Rc6 sac!!!" is not allowed??? > >Because of the way it was handled. Just a few examples: > >1) The sac isn't a !! move by any stretch of the imagination. > >2) It was used to prove that the Gambit Tiger approach is the only way to go, >which there isn't any evidence to support. > >3) General insult to all programs that doesn't follow this approach. > >4) General ignorance about how other programs operate to ensure that your >approach seem novel. > >5) Uninformed argumentation almost throughout the thread by Thorsten. > >If I read the thread again, I could probably find more. I suggest you do the >same and revise your opinion about the "objectivity" displayed by the members of >your team. I agree that the members of the team are not objective and I did not like part of their posts but it is not christophe's fault. > >Good sacks _are_ interesting, but claiming that Gambit Tiger is superior because >of a sack that may not be winning doesn't impress me. Sorry. I believe that the sacrifice gives better results against computers. I believe that without the sacrifice the chance for draw is bigger. I do not say that the sacrifice is winning. > >>It is a really smart move to add a small positive looking comment into an >>otherwise destructive post. > >No, I actually meant what I said. _All_ programs are interesting additions, not >just the speculative ones. Given your approval of lack of respect towards other >programs, I don't expect you to understand. The lack of respect for other programs is not of christophe. Christhophe did not show less of respect to programs like Fritz or Junior and he only responded to Bob hyatt. > >However, I do wish you all the luck in creating an interesting program. I don't >think emulating Chris in body and mind will help that process, but what do I >know. I do not think that christophe emulate chris in body and mind. Uri
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