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Subject: Re: SSDF. Gandalfs LEARNING is destoyed when aborting!!

Author: Chessfun

Date: 11:55:57 10/18/00

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On October 18, 2000 at 11:02:08, Uri Blass wrote:

>On October 18, 2000 at 10:54:22, Tony Hedlund wrote:
>
>>On October 18, 2000 at 05:51:55, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On October 18, 2000 at 05:33:06, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>>
>>>>:-)))
>>>>
>>>>don“t get a heart-attache steen. I am sure they will get it right.
>>>>
>>>>sooner or later. or maybe later...
>>>>
>>>>maybe next year. :-))) the most important thing is of course that the chessbase
>>>>programs run accurate :-))
>>>
>>>My opinion is that it should be the responsibility of the testers to stop the
>>>match when they suspect that the learning of a program that is supposed to have
>>>a learning function is destroyed and to ask the programmer for the reason for
>>>it.
>>>
>>>It is not interesting to continue matches when you see that the learning is
>>>destoyed and if it is possible to test the program without this bug then it is
>>>better to do it.
>>>
>>>I do not suggest to stop matches after seeing bugs that are not learning bugs
>>>because this kind of bug is different.
>>>
>>>People may complain that tiger12 also lost the same opening against Junior many
>>>times in a row but this case was different because I understood that the reason
>>>was not a bug but a bad design decision.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>And how was I supposed to now that it was a bug and not a bad design decision?
>>
>>Tony
>
>You can ask the programmer.
>
>In the case of tiger the programmer admitted that it was a bad design decision.
>Tiger learned but the learning did not help it to avoid the same opening and
>changing the moves later did not help.
>
>In the case of gandalf it is clear that it is a bug because the learning is not
>destroyed when you do not stop the games and it is not logical to have a design
>decision to destoy the learning file.
>
>Uri


I think myself it's a bit much to expect the SSDF to have noticed
anything wrong only a couple of games were played. Some programs may
learn slower than others and that assumes that they even know in advance
book learning exists in a given program.

As is known ChessTiger 12.0e didn't have it neither did CM6K nor
will CM8K. I understand that the operator needs to know as much as
possible about the program but don't expect the SSDF to trouble shoot
programs.

Sarah.



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