Author: Mike Adams
Date: 17:20:15 10/18/00
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On October 17, 2000 at 13:46:02, Bruce Moreland wrote: >On October 16, 2000 at 06:12:20, Graham Laight wrote: > >>Following discussions in the "recognising chess patterns" thread last week, I >>believe we have reached the stage where it possible, with today's PCs, to create >>a self learning chess computer. Before, I have always had doubts about whether >>it could be done with current technology - now these doubts are gone. >> >>Disappointingly, the discussion thread died out - possibly because people didn't >>realise what was in the thread. >> >>So here's the deal. I will think through the outline design of such a system, >>and write it up in my (hopefully!) clear style for everyone's perusal if, and >>ONLY if, at least 5 people promise to comment on the design after I have written >>it. >> >>So, if you want to read it, and you're willing to comment on what I write, >>please indicate this by responding to this message. >> >>Regards, >>Graham > >Your proposal is the same sort of nonsense that you've been promoting for the >past several years, and I'll give you the same sort of response I've given you >for the past several years. > >Some of the steps toward your solution are important enough that if those steps >could be completed, chess wouldn't be anywhere near the most interesting problem >to use those tools on. Your "practical" plan calls for enormous work and >several major breakthroughs in AI. > >Several of your steps are described in a few sentences, but the amount of work >involved to solve then would be national in scale, if they are solvable by >humans at all in a practical time-frame. > >And tying together these monumental tasks is a plan that could have been devised >by any vaguely technical person during their first few moments of thought about >the problem. > >bruce I'm not exactly sure what he is proposing but i read in yahoo news the other month that a self learning checkers program reached expert level at checkers. This is not nearly as strong as a non learning checkers program with traditional algorithms can get. Morph on icc is a self learning chess program but as anyone who fingers it can see it has not gotten much beyond 1000 rating. I dont know really what methods of learning it uses but i understand its emphasis is on patter recognition not search. Personaly i dont think you can do well at chess without search. None the less morph is an academic project at ucsc and from what i saw of the morph website quite a few papers have been published. Mike Adams
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