Author: Don Dailey
Date: 11:37:01 12/30/97
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On December 30, 1997 at 12:55:17, Amir Ban wrote: >On December 29, 1997 at 13:25:57, Chris Whittington wrote: > >> >>On December 29, 1997 at 12:57:52, Jeroen Noomen wrote: >> > >>>Furthermore I talked to Sandro Necchi a few years ago at the AEGON >>>Tournament. On my question why MCP did so well in testmatches (he stated >>>MCP would beat Genius 3 by a margin of 90%), he simply replied 'because >>>we are outbooking Genius'. What do you think of that!? >> >>I wonder if he said it 30 times or if its just that you and Ed have >>repeated it 30 times. Yes we all know about this converstaion. we've >>read it 30 times. >> >>I don't know what I think about it. Thorsten says lots of things about >>the design of CSTal which are not correct. I'ld prefer to go on what >>Marty Hirsch says, not one of his support team. Also opening book >>tweakers tend to exagerate their contribution to the 200 extra ELO >>points claimed each year. >When MCPro6 first got listed on SSDF I noticed its result against Genius >3: 15.5:4.5. Quite a result. It was obvious to me at the time that they >did a job on Genius, but I assumed that they did some serious and >legitimate work of uncovering the weaknesses of CG3. Now I'm not so sure >what was done to get this result ... > >The same MCPro6, BTW, lost the SSDF match to both CG4 and CG5. What >would be the logical explanation ? > >Amir Hi Amir, I don't think there is any doubt that the book is a large factor in the success of all the top programs. And I'm not talking about the carefully prepared killer line phenomemon either, just good solid book engineering. Please note I'm not attacking anyone by saying this. But first of all this is a very low sample. With only 20 games, the evidence that Mchess is "better" based on this score is strong but not powerful (whatever that means!) I have run many tests myself where version A gets this kind of lead and it all goes away after 100 games or more. I still believe Genius is near the top, and I know I'll get a lot of disagreement here. If we could throw out the books and go by pure chess play you will find Genius at least close to the top programs, certainly not the hundreds of elo points this result would directly imply. Of course people hate it's boring chess and that tends to influence peoples objectivity about it. It has a style that fails to impress so people discount it. But I am impressed anyway! -- Don
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