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Subject: Re: Questions to Dr. Ernst A. Heinz about move ordering

Author: Pham Minh Tri

Date: 22:26:16 10/24/00

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On October 24, 2000 at 22:40:12, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On October 24, 2000 at 20:01:31, Pham Minh Tri wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>In the book "Scalable Search in Computer Chess" you listed the move-ordering
>>scheme as following:
>>1. hashed move
>>2. good capture moves
>>3. killer moves
>>4. history moves,
>>5. statically pre-sorted remaining moves
>>6. bad capture moves.
>>
>>My question are:
>>1. How about pv move? Do you install them into hash table? If yes, what is
>>benefit (I think if we keep separating pv and hashed moves, we will have more
>>good moves for searching first).
>
>I'm not Ernst, but think about your question.  Why would the hash table have
>a "best move" that is _not_ the PV move?  The only problem is that the hash
>table won't have a best move for every ply, because every other ply doesn't
>have a "best move" at all in the context of alpha/beta.  The fix (for me) is
>to simply "stuff" the PV into the hash table at the start of each iteration.


Thank alot for your answer. Actually, I learnt how to stuff the PV moves into
hash table from your Crafty. I was wordering why you do not retrieve pv move
from pv table and use the best move from hash table as the second best move (it
may improve a little move ordering)?



>>2. How do you divide good and bad capture moves? Are the bad capture moves
>>really "bad" therefore you listed them in the end (I mean they would be higher
>>order)?
>>3. Could you explain more details about statically pre-sorted remaining moves?
>>Thank you in advance,
>>Pham
>
>
>Ernst uses MVV/LVA, which means the first capture he tries is the most valuable
>piece that is being attacked by any of his pieces, and then he tries the least
>valuable attacker for that piece.  Others of us use SEE (static exchange
>evaluator) which is a bit more accurate, but costs a bit more computationally.



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