Author: Jeroen Noomen
Date: 13:44:21 12/30/97
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>But my concern over the Mchess demolition remains. There is no demolition, just the mentioning of facts. >1. It appears to be established on these news groups that Mchess is much >weaker than its SSDF grading because of 'special' techniques of killer >books and so on. I don't think anyone has used the word cheating, but >that is what is implied. And I use the word 'established' because of >various comments by various infrequent posters who refer to Mchess in >this way as if it is an article of faith that its books are cooked. Nowhere has been said 'much weaker'. The programs in the top five/six are all strong enough, there is not much difference as I said before. >2. IMO the references to these cooked lines were started by people >associated with Rebel. I guess I may be wrong, but that's the impression >that I have, not entirely Rebel but certainly a sizeable part of it. >Certainly the constant repetition of the statement by Sandro Necchi >comes from the Rebel team. Which is a fact, so what's wrong to mention this? >3. I remain to be convinced that the Mchess team is doing anything >wrong, or anything different to anybody else. > >4. Therefore I see the continuing attacks as unfair and unreasonable. Which attacks? You make it an attack! There were only facts, starting by the thread written by Thorsten. >5. I then ask myself why they continue, and who is continuing them, and >to whose benefit is it to trash Mchess ? Again such a word: 'trash'. These are your words and you simply step aside as soon as facts are brought in. You are not reacting to facts mentioned. As far as I am concerned nobody's 'trashed'. And nobody will be. But still such topics can be discussed, there is nothing wrong with that. >6. Since my speciality is defending the apparently undefendable, and >being the lone voice of disagreement; I take a certain pleasure in >challenging you and all the others. There, see, I admit to impure >motives :) A purer motive is that the guy was in apparent trouble last >year with his distributor not paying him, we heard stories that he took >on a job outside of chess programming, and I don't like to see someone >who is down being kicked. Completely agreed! >1. Well, the Rebel team does seem to attack Mchess. My opinion, but it >seems so. Which is not the case. MCP is a great program, I play with it very often. But the above statement remains and is also confirmed by others. If only I would mention it you could use the word 'attack'. But read magazines like CSS and Computerschaak and you will read others saying the same as I did. (If you can't read them, start learning Dutch and German :)))) >2. Are your motives pure ? I don't know you very well either, so I ask My 'motive' is to stress a fact. Like journalists do. Others agree. You make it an 'attack' instead of analysing the facts. You don't react on the facts. That's a pity IMO. >3. It seems like a campaign to me. Nope. It's discussing a fact that has been found out (also) by others. >>We met a few times at AEGON and laughed about specific things and it was >>fun meeting you but for the rest you know zero about me and my or >>Jeroens >>motives and I wish you stop with this. > >Right now the position is confused. We can stop in the fog, or we can >clear it. One possibility would be to accept the Mchess clarification >and withdraw the allegations. There are no allegations. Once again: facts! A fact cannot be withdrawn. >Another would be to challenge the Mchess statement. > >I really don't see how it can be left as is. I mean is he cooking books >or not ? Its quite a serious allegation, no ? Which was confirmed by one of the team-members.... Chris, I feel that it is a pity you pointed an interesting discussion in such a direction. Still, I wish you a happy 1998 as I wish everybody here at CCC al the best for the next year! Best regards, Jeroen
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