Author: Baldomero Garcia, Jr.
Date: 08:24:52 10/27/00
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I couldn't understand german, so I had a computer program translate it.
It's not perfect, but it helps you get the gist of what they're trying
to say.
Written of Ossi Weiner:
As an answer up: Re: anachronistic Update-procedure written of Harald Faber an
20 October
2000 around 15:57:
> It amazes me yet very that one cannot buy Shredder alone.
To close> the Rückmeldungen in the forum after only a slighter part of that is>
people who would buy Shredder 5, ready to decrease the entire package. >
Therefore Millenium makes want
to sell yet anything incorrectly, that its thing yet>! And if I see, how many
Shredder 5 would become for 99 DM loving gladly> first marriages. Perhaps
Millenium should look
occasionally once into the fora>. (And in the fora drive itself certainly yet
sooner people around, that> would be ready to decrease an entire package.)
It would be m. E. a larger mistake if one would sell Shredder 5 "alone". Then
for example the Nalimov Tablebases would be missing, which do not
contribute insignificant to the game strength. The majority of the customers
sees that by the way just as how the Verkaufszahlen clearly prove.
That it already an older SOW-version on collecting-CD given has to one, is
correct. We can however nothing if this ("Amateur-Weltmeister was
applied somewhat misleading by the competition 2000"). Here, it gives
exclusively that ** amateur-world masters 2000 - a very strong new
program, on which all computer chess-friends may be happy, to real.
> Tja, nominally the (potential) customers settle out of the computer chess fora> only a very
slight part of the Klientel, can ignore one this >"Randgruppe" confident.
In Millennium 2000, one ignored is do not take obviously the potential customers
out of the computer chess-fora, exact
the opposite the case, we that very seriously. One very should carefully
distinguish comes is comes is to be sure
between *impersonal criticism* and *notorious Herumnörgelei* (typical examples
-> Gerhard Saturday, Martin Schubert,...)
after the long-known motto "everything what of Chessbase super, everything what
of Millennium manure". It never gives
can quite make unfortunately people, who one it, moves there all on a totally
irrational rail.
Does> who as not Computerschachfreak, issue already 200 marks for Shredder,> if
it gets
Fritz for the half?
Does Gegenfrage: already good money issue who for a Mercedes or BMW if it gets a
VW gulf for the half? Even Stefan's it more personally
"intimate enemy" Kästner must (zähneknirschend) clear that already that (very
early) Vorversion 4.16 is better round 100 Elo than a Fritz 6a
and Deep Junior 6. Like strong becomes there first the new SHREDER 5! :-)))
> That is yes the jumping point, where you the answer actually already immediately> mitlieferst: the Computerschachfreak, that to the one chess program
gather> and to the other always the newest programs have must, can designate one
probably also> as an Update-hunter or Update-Junkies. > I interestingly
find had, that this time the wave of the rebellion so highly> schwappt, for
already Shredder 4 the same price, there meanwhile verstummten> the voices
quite quickly. Admitted, was not able to resist even I the temptation, is in
spite of high price and KOPIERSCHUTZ(!), that probable again> inclusive.
There are always people who want to have most dearly all to the half price (or
yet better for nothing). Do at the same time they seem give live must to forget
totally, that some world class-programmers for years its best, and that these
also of
any somewhat, or? If someone have not yet noted it: Richard long, Dave
Kittinger, Marty deer and some other Top-programmers have already the towel
thrown. Are :-( ( (what the reasons? = => Correctly, retrograde Verkaufszahlen,
not finally
based on the increasing number of robbery copies! Does and what happen
everywhere in the industry and economy in sinking numbers of pieces? = =>
Correctly, the prices climb! How can one prevent that? = => Correctly, fewer
more copy buy! Yet
once a minute thinks about! Does or someone want really that it will give in two
years only another only GUI at the market and therefore to zero selection?
> My fear are now that nevertheless enough people buy this "crazy" package>, so that Ossi does not need to react to these troubles. > One asks itself automatically whether (s) a firm
depends to such an extent on Shredder> and its successes, that it tries so
forced to hold itself with> covered Verkaufspreisen over water. Does> what it
make only if Shredder in the
next year does not become WM and does not stand in> the SSDF on #1? Broke? Play
or so many internal tournaments until> Shredder 6 wins once one?
They are should look around totally fehlinformiert perhaps you once on the
Millennium Homepage! For years the Millennium has busied itself 2000 GmbHs ( =
Hegener & Weiner) primarily with the development, manufacture and Distribution
of chess computers, electronic games and
Consumer Electronics products. Our Vertriebsgebiet is Germany as well as 9
further European countries. The profit of world championship and that of
WM-software much joke makes banished and brings in us naturally prestige,
contributes in the firm however less than 10% to the
total volume. That is not that the firms direction willens is, to subsidize the
WM-software durably through other firm areas. The market should yield sometime
once nothing more, one will naturally have to think about over this situation.
But that hopefully will not so quickly
happen. : -)
> With entire Unverständnis the head shaking,> Harald Faber
Your Unverständnis is based obviously on mangelnder information. This condition
I would like to remove am convinced gladly, and firmly that I can convince also
you by the advantages of the new MILLENNIUM WM-package. Following personal
analysis to the subject
price-achievements-ratio means. Based on mehrjähriger experiences, we go out
therefrom that 90 - 95% of the potential customers possess already an older
version out of the computer chess-fora, therefore require an Upgrade. This costs
here DM 129,- (equal like old your
Shredder-version is!), and for that you get on 6 CD-ROME following contents:
The WM-program SHREDDER 5 (appreciated Elo over 2700!) Brand-new Book of Sandro
Necchi world novelty: TRIPLE
BRAIN module SOW (original amateur-world master program) Nalimov Table bases
(ca. 4 CD-ROME) SHREDDER
predecessor-versions NIMZO 2000 full versions and Engines current
parties-databank (over 500.000 parties)
What would you pay for analogous achievement circumference in our competition
(prefaced, you
possess the last predecessor version, there yes older versions not updatefähig
are)?
Compare:
Update Fritz 6 DM 79, -- additional Engine DM 98,- (the new SOW London is
certainly not more badly than a Hiarcs or Nimzo!) Triple Brain Engine DM 98,-
(!?) (There is corresponds only in Millennium to at least a fully-Engine!)
Final game-Turbo DM 98,-
So, now we calculate once shortly together. Does Hoppla, come out there about
the threefold?? :-))) Judgments you even, impersonally and without
emotions! Aren't you also the opinion that you receive for just once DM 50,-
(update-) difference one very prettily satisfied value-added?
But that is not yet all! Because it is just so pretty, saddle we now one
thereon!
In the first half year 2001, the parallel version DEEP SHREDDER should come on
the market (the
comparable products Deep Junior and/or Deep Fritz should by the way proud DM
199,- cost;
whether it comparable game strong are, becomes itself show ......)
= => Here comes our SUPER-SPECIAL for the first 1.000 buyers = => (including.
Updates) the
new MILLENNIUM WM-PACKAGE 2001 = => (action validly until at the latest
31.12.2000) :
= =>) = => For DM 199,--, not for DM 99,--, not for DM 49, -- = => NO for DM
0,00 would not
say and writes!! TO DEEP SHREDDER (Multi-Prozessor-Version! (Zzgl. evtl.
Delivery lump
sum)
The new WM-PACKAGE 2001 becomes November 2000 ausgeliefert from middle. You find
answers further information under www. computerchess. com
expanse questions gladly our Hotline: support@computerchess.com
Best greetings to all computer chess-Fans Ossi Weiner
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