Author: stuart taylor
Date: 17:44:06 10/28/00
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On October 27, 2000 at 11:24:52, Baldomero Garcia, Jr. wrote:
>I couldn't understand german, so I had a computer program translate it.
>It's not perfect, but it helps you get the gist of what they're trying
>to say.
>
>Written of Ossi Weiner:
>
>As an answer up: Re: anachronistic Update-procedure written of Harald Faber an
>20 October
>2000 around 15:57:
>
>
>> It amazes me yet very that one cannot buy Shredder alone.
>
>
>To close> the Rückmeldungen in the forum after only a slighter part of that is>
>people who would buy Shredder 5, ready to decrease the entire package. >
>Therefore Millenium makes want
>to sell yet anything incorrectly, that its thing yet>! And if I see, how many
>Shredder 5 would become for 99 DM loving gladly> first marriages. Perhaps
>Millenium should look
>occasionally once into the fora>. (And in the fora drive itself certainly yet
>sooner people around, that> would be ready to decrease an entire package.)
>
>
>It would be m. E. a larger mistake if one would sell Shredder 5 "alone". Then
>for example the Nalimov Tablebases would be missing, which do not
>contribute insignificant to the game strength. The majority of the customers
>sees that by the way just as how the Verkaufszahlen clearly prove.
>That it already an older SOW-version on collecting-CD given has to one, is
>correct. We can however nothing if this ("Amateur-Weltmeister was
>applied somewhat misleading by the competition 2000"). Here, it gives
>exclusively that ** amateur-world masters 2000 - a very strong new
>program, on which all computer chess-friends may be happy, to real.
>
>
>> Tja, nominally the (potential) customers settle out of the computer chess fora> only a very
>slight part of the Klientel, can ignore one this >"Randgruppe" confident.
>
>
>In Millennium 2000, one ignored is do not take obviously the potential customers
>out of the computer chess-fora, exact
>the opposite the case, we that very seriously. One very should carefully
>distinguish comes is comes is to be sure
>between *impersonal criticism* and *notorious Herumnörgelei* (typical examples
>-> Gerhard Saturday, Martin Schubert,...)
>after the long-known motto "everything what of Chessbase super, everything what
>of Millennium manure". It never gives
>can quite make unfortunately people, who one it, moves there all on a totally
>irrational rail.
>
>
>Does> who as not Computerschachfreak, issue already 200 marks for Shredder,> if
>it gets
>Fritz for the half?
>
>
>Does Gegenfrage: already good money issue who for a Mercedes or BMW if it gets a
>VW gulf for the half? Even Stefan's it more personally
>"intimate enemy" Kästner must (zähneknirschend) clear that already that (very
>early) Vorversion 4.16 is better round 100 Elo than a Fritz 6a
>and Deep Junior 6. Like strong becomes there first the new SHREDER 5! :-)))
>
>
>> That is yes the jumping point, where you the answer actually already immediately> mitlieferst: the Computerschachfreak, that to the one chess program
>gather> and to the other always the newest programs have must, can designate one
>probably also> as an Update-hunter or Update-Junkies. > I interestingly
>find had, that this time the wave of the rebellion so highly> schwappt, for
>already Shredder 4 the same price, there meanwhile verstummten> the voices
>quite quickly. Admitted, was not able to resist even I the temptation, is in
>spite of high price and KOPIERSCHUTZ(!), that probable again> inclusive.
>
>
>There are always people who want to have most dearly all to the half price (or
>yet better for nothing). Do at the same time they seem give live must to forget
>totally, that some world class-programmers for years its best, and that these
>also of
>any somewhat, or? If someone have not yet noted it: Richard long, Dave
>Kittinger, Marty deer and some other Top-programmers have already the towel
>thrown. Are :-( ( (what the reasons? = => Correctly, retrograde Verkaufszahlen,
>not finally
>based on the increasing number of robbery copies! Does and what happen
>everywhere in the industry and economy in sinking numbers of pieces? = =>
>Correctly, the prices climb! How can one prevent that? = => Correctly, fewer
>more copy buy! Yet
>once a minute thinks about! Does or someone want really that it will give in two
>years only another only GUI at the market and therefore to zero selection?
>
>
>> My fear are now that nevertheless enough people buy this "crazy" package>, so that Ossi does not need to react to these troubles. > One asks itself automatically whether (s) a firm
>depends to such an extent on Shredder> and its successes, that it tries so
>forced to hold itself with> covered Verkaufspreisen over water. Does> what it
>make only if Shredder in the
>next year does not become WM and does not stand in> the SSDF on #1? Broke? Play
>or so many internal tournaments until> Shredder 6 wins once one?
>
>
>They are should look around totally fehlinformiert perhaps you once on the
>Millennium Homepage! For years the Millennium has busied itself 2000 GmbHs ( =
>Hegener & Weiner) primarily with the development, manufacture and Distribution
>of chess computers, electronic games and
>Consumer Electronics products. Our Vertriebsgebiet is Germany as well as 9
>further European countries. The profit of world championship and that of
>WM-software much joke makes banished and brings in us naturally prestige,
>contributes in the firm however less than 10% to the
>total volume. That is not that the firms direction willens is, to subsidize the
>WM-software durably through other firm areas. The market should yield sometime
>once nothing more, one will naturally have to think about over this situation.
>But that hopefully will not so quickly
>happen. : -)
>
>
>> With entire Unverständnis the head shaking,> Harald Faber
>
>
>Your Unverständnis is based obviously on mangelnder information. This condition
>I would like to remove am convinced gladly, and firmly that I can convince also
>you by the advantages of the new MILLENNIUM WM-package. Following personal
>analysis to the subject
>price-achievements-ratio means. Based on mehrjähriger experiences, we go out
>therefrom that 90 - 95% of the potential customers possess already an older
>version out of the computer chess-fora, therefore require an Upgrade. This costs
>here DM 129,- (equal like old your
>Shredder-version is!), and for that you get on 6 CD-ROME following contents:
>
>
>The WM-program SHREDDER 5 (appreciated Elo over 2700!) Brand-new Book of Sandro
>Necchi world novelty: TRIPLE
>BRAIN module SOW (original amateur-world master program) Nalimov Table bases
>(ca. 4 CD-ROME) SHREDDER
>predecessor-versions NIMZO 2000 full versions and Engines current
>parties-databank (over 500.000 parties)
>
>
>What would you pay for analogous achievement circumference in our competition
>(prefaced, you
>possess the last predecessor version, there yes older versions not updatefähig
>are)?
>Compare:
>
>
>Update Fritz 6 DM 79, -- additional Engine DM 98,- (the new SOW London is
>certainly not more badly than a Hiarcs or Nimzo!) Triple Brain Engine DM 98,-
>(!?) (There is corresponds only in Millennium to at least a fully-Engine!)
>Final game-Turbo DM 98,-
>
>
>So, now we calculate once shortly together. Does Hoppla, come out there about
>the threefold?? :-))) Judgments you even, impersonally and without
>emotions! Aren't you also the opinion that you receive for just once DM 50,-
>(update-) difference one very prettily satisfied value-added?
>
>
>But that is not yet all! Because it is just so pretty, saddle we now one
>thereon!
>
>
>In the first half year 2001, the parallel version DEEP SHREDDER should come on
>the market (the
>comparable products Deep Junior and/or Deep Fritz should by the way proud DM
>199,- cost;
>whether it comparable game strong are, becomes itself show ......)
>
>
>= => Here comes our SUPER-SPECIAL for the first 1.000 buyers = => (including.
>Updates) the
>new MILLENNIUM WM-PACKAGE 2001 = => (action validly until at the latest
>31.12.2000) :
>
>
>= =>) = => For DM 199,--, not for DM 99,--, not for DM 49, -- = => NO for DM
>0,00 would not
>say and writes!! TO DEEP SHREDDER (Multi-Prozessor-Version! (Zzgl. evtl.
>Delivery lump
>sum)
>
>
>The new WM-PACKAGE 2001 becomes November 2000 ausgeliefert from middle. You find
>answers further information under www. computerchess. com
>expanse questions gladly our Hotline: support@computerchess.com
>
>
>Best greetings to all computer chess-Fans Ossi Weiner
I think I understand!
Richard Long and Marty deer. Oh deer! I know that the animal deer is hirsch in
German!
If I read closely, I can understand quite a few things actually. But you need
some imagination, and then it is very interesting and amusing. But I don't know
if everyone will see as do I.
S.Taylor
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