Author: pete
Date: 05:36:07 10/29/00
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On October 28, 2000 at 20:15:02, Uri Blass wrote:
>I do not believe that it is only low branching factor.
>
>Genius has other problems.
>
>1)It does less extensions than other programs and cannot extend more than 12
>plies.
>
>It canot see lines of more than 32 plies.
>
>2)There are positions that it does not understand when other programs
>understand.
>
>Other programs worked many years about improving their evaluation when lang did
>not do it and it is natural that other programs got better evaluation function
>in part of the positions.
>
>Uri
I tend to disagree , at least I suspect your point of view is very hard to prove
.
It does sound very logical to assume years of work on evaluation has payed off
but it is very rare to see Genius judging positions in a ridiculous way .
2 more games played on 2 PIII500 , game in 60 which lead to the current result :
Gambit Tiger 1.0 - Genius 3 1.5 - 1.5
First game :
Kind of a personal observation record on decided game regarding number of moves
:-)
I think it is 14. ...Bb7 ?! , 16. Nb5 ?! , 17. Ra1 ? . Interesting to compair
the eval after 19. cb ; Gambit Tiger thinks about +1.00 for itself , Genius
close to even ; in fact it is quite an obvious dead draw as there are no points
of entry into either position ( btw it is also a classical position for a
position where knights are quite ok ) ; 27. ... Bd2 and especially 30. ... Bxc3
are moves I really like ; also the manouvre ... Qa1 is pleasant. The position is
so dull drawn it was a little boring to play on until in the end Genius decided
to open it up ( which was still ok ) but missed a tactical trap ( outsearched )
when both had very little time left .
Second game :
Too lazy for analysis :)
Gambit got the better out of the opening but then IMHO chose a too direct
approach against the opponent king ( attacking a position with no weaknesses ) ;
In the late middlegame Gambit managed to reach an advantage . In the resulting
endgame Genius was much more exact with evaluation and understood the draw when
Gambit was still believing it had something like +2.0
Don't get me wrong ; I am convinced Gambit Tiger is stronger than Genius 3 but
when looking at the evals Genius just seems to come up with much more sensible
values usually : in fact I really think that nowadays the search of Genius is
outdated where in quiet positions and especially in endgame Genius still is very
competitive in judgement .
As the games are interesting to watch I'll continue with these 2 a little longer
until a more meaningful number of games is reached : let's wait and see !
Regards.
pete
[Event "Game in 60"]
[Site "BETA Test Games"]
[Date "2000.10.29"]
[Round ""]
[White "Gambit Tiger 1.0"]
[Black "Genius 3"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Opening "E97 King's Indian: Orthodox, Aronin-Taimanov Variation"]
{}
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 9.Nd2
a5 10.a3 Nd7
11.Rb1 f5 12.b4 b6 13.f3 axb4 14.axb4 Bb7 15.Bd3 f4 16.Nb5 Ba6 17.Ra1 Bxb5
18.Rxa8 Qxa8
19.cxb5 Rb8 20.Bb2 Rb7 21.Qc2 Ra7 22.Nb3 Bf6 23.Ra1 Rxa1+ 24.Nxa1 Qa7 25.Nb3 Bh4
26.Nc1
Be1 27.Qc4 Bd2 28.Na2 Kg7 29.Nc3 Nf6 30.Kf1 Bxc3 31.Qxc3 Qb7 32.Qc1 Qc8 33.Kf2
Qd7 34.Kg1
g5 35.h3 h6 36.Be2 Nh5 37.Bc4 Ng3 38.Bc3 Nh5 39.Bd3 Nf6 40.Bb2 Nh5 41.Qc2 Ng3
42.Bc3 Kg6
43.Be1 Nh5 44.Qc4 Nf6 45.Bc3 Nh5 46.Bd2 Kg7 47.Qc1 Nf6 48.Bc3 h5 49.Bb2 g4
50.Qf1 gxh3 51.gxh3
Kf7 52.Bc3 Qd8 53.Qf2 Qa8 54.Be1 Nh7 55.Qh4 Nf6 56.Qg5 Qa1 57.Kf1 Qd1 58.Be2 Qc1
59.Qg1
Nh7 60.Qg2 Qb1 61.Bc4 Qd1 62.h4 Ng6 63.Qe2 Qc1 64.Kg2 Nf6 65.Bb3 Qe3 66.Bd1 Ne8
67.Qf2 Qa3
68.Kf1 Qa1 69.Be2 Nf6 70.Bd3 Qa3 71.Qc2 Ne8 72.Qb1 Ke7 73.Ke2 Nf6 74.Qd1 Kd8
75.Qc2 Nd7
76.Kf1 Kc8 77.Qd1 Nf6 78.Qb1 Kb7 79.Qc2 Kb8 80.Ke2 Kc8 81.Qb1 Ng8 82.Kf1 Kd7
83.Qc2 Nf6
84.Qc6+ Kc8 85.Qc4 Qa1 86.Ke2 Kd8 87.Kd2 Ng8 88.Bc2 N8e7 89.Qc3 Qa8 90.Bd3 Qa2+
91.Qc2
Qa7 92.Qb2 Qa4 93.Ke2 Ke8 94.Qc3 Kd8 95.Bf2 Nc8 96.Kf1 Nge7 97.Kg1 Na7 98.Qc4
Ng6 99.Kh2
Qa3 100.Be2 Nc8 101.Kg2 Nce7 102.Bd1 Qb2 103.Bc2 Nc8 104.Qb3 Qa1 105.Bd3 Nce7
106.Qc2
Nf8 107.Bf1 Qa3 108.Be1 Nfg6 109.Be2 Ng8 110.Bf2 Qxb4 111.Qc6 Qa3 112.Qb7 N8e7
113.Bf1
Nc8 114.Qc6 Qa2 115.Kg1 Qa1 116.Qc2 Nce7 117.Qc4 Qa3 118.Bg2 Nf8 119.Kh2 Nd7
120.Qe2 Nc5
121.Bh3 Nd3 122.Bg1 Qb3 123.Bf1 Nc1 124.Qg2 Qd1 125.Kh1 Nb3 126.Be2 Qe1 127.Qf2
Qxf2 128.Bxf2
Nd4 129.Bd3 Nxf3 130.Kg2 Nd2 131.Bc2 Kd7 132.Be1 Nc4 133.Kf3 Ne3 134.Bd3 Ng6
135.Bf2 Ng4
136.Be1 Nf8 137.Bd2 Ke7 138.Be1 Ng6 139.Be2 Kf7 140.Kg2 Nf8 141.Bd2 Nf6 142.Kf3
Ng6 143.Be1
Kg7 144.Bf1 Ng4 145.Be2 Ne3 146.Bd3 Kf7 147.Bf2 Ng4 148.Be1 Ke8 149.Bc2 Nf8
150.Bd3 Kd8
151.Bd2 Ng6 152.Be1 Kd7 153.Be2 Ke7 154.Bc4 Ne3 155.Bd3 Kf6 156.Bb1 Kf7 157.Bd3
Ng4 158.Bc2
Ke7 159.Bd3 Kd8 160.Be2 Ke8 161.Bc4 Nh8 162.Bd3 Nf7 163.Bc2 Kf8 164.Bd3 Nh8
165.Be2 Ke7
166.Bd1 Nf7 167.Bf2 Nf6 168.Bc2 Kd7 169.Bd3 Nh6 170.Bf1 Nhg4 171.Bg1 Ke7 172.Be2
Nd7 173.Bd1
Kd8 174.Be2 Ke8 175.Bd1 Kf8 176.Be2 Nc5 177.Bd1 Nxe4 178.Kxe4 Nf6+ 179.Kf5 Nxd5
180.Bxh5
Nc3 181.Bg6 Ke7 182.h5 Nxb5 183.h6 Kf8 184.Bf2 Kg8 185.h7+ Kh8 186.Bh4 Nd4+
187.Kg4 Kg7
188.Kh5 c5 189.Be7 c4 190.Bf8+ Kf6 191.h8Q+ Ke6 192.Be4 Kd7 193.Qh7+ Kd8
194.Qe7+ Kc8
195.Qb7+ Kd8 196.Be7+ Ke8 197.Bg6# 1-0
[Event "Game in 60"]
[Site "BETA Test Games "]
[Date "2000.10.29"]
[Round ""]
[White "Genius 3"]
[Black "Gambit Tiger 1.0"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Opening "D19 QGD Slav: Dutch Variation, Main Line"]
{}
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c4 c6 4.Nc3 dxc4 5.a4 Bf5 6.e3 e6 7.Bxc4 Bb4 8.O-O O-O 9.Qe2
Nbd7 10.e4
Bg6 11.Bd3 Bh5 12.Bf4 Qe7 13.e5 Nd5 14.Bd2 Nc7 15.Rfc1 Rfd8 16.Qe4 f5 17.Qf4 Qe8
18.Be2
Nf8 19.Nb1 Ng6 20.Qe3 Nd5 21.Qb3 Ngf4 22.Bf1 Qg6 23.g3 Bxd2 24.Nbxd2 Bxf3
25.Nxf3 Qg4 26.Kh1
Ng6 27.h3 Qh5 28.a5 a6 29.Nd2 Rd7 30.Nc4 f4 31.Nd6 fxg3 32.fxg3 Qh6 33.Bg2 Nge7
34.Re1 Rf8
35.Rf1 Nf5 36.Nxf5 Rxf5 37.Rxf5 exf5 38.Rf1 Qe6 39.Bf3 g6 40.Kh2 Kg7 41.Re1 Nf4
42.Qa3
Nd5 43.Rd1 Qf7 44.Qb3 f4 45.Rg1 Rd8 46.gxf4 Nxf4 47.Qxf7+ Kxf7 48.Rd1 Nd5 49.Kg1
Ke6 50.Bg4+
Ke7 51.Kf2 h5 52.Be2 Rf8+ 53.Bf3 Rf4 54.Kg3 g5 55.Rd3 Nb4 56.Rd2 Rh4 57.Bg2 Ke6
58.Bf3 Nd5
59.Bxd5+ Kxd5 60.Re2 Ke6 61.Rd2 Re4 62.Kf2 Kd5 63.Rd1 c5 64.dxc5+ Kxe5 65.b3 Rb4
66.Rd3
Rb5 67.Rg3 Kf5 68.Rc3 Rxa5 69.c6 bxc6 70.Rxc6 Ke4 71.Re6+ Kd3 72.b4 Ra2+ 73.Kf3
Kc4 74.Rg6
Ra3+ 75.Kg2 Kxb4 76.Rxg5 Rc3 77.Rxh5 a5 78.Rh8 a4 79.Rb8+ Kc4 80.h4 a3 81.h5 a2
82.Ra8 Kb3
83.h6 Rc8 84.Ra7 Rc2+ 85.Kg3 Rc3+ 86.Kg2 Rc7 87.Rxc7 a1Q 88.h7 Qd4 89.Kg3 Kb4
90.Rd7 Qe5+
91.Kh4 Kc5 92.Kg4 Qf6 93.Kh5 Kc4 94.Ra7 Kd4 95.Ra5 Qf7+ 96.Kh6 Qe6+ 97.Kg7 Qd7+
98.Kg8
Qd8+ 99.Kg7 Qc7+ 100.Kg8 Qg3+ 101.Kf8 Qh2 102.Kg8 Qg2+ 103.Kf8 Qh3 104.Kg8 Qc8+
105.Kg7
Qg4+ 106.Kh6 Qf4+ 107.Kg7 Qg3+ 108.Kf8 Qh2 109.Kg7 Qg3+ 110.Kf8 1/2-1/2
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