Author: Chris Whittington
Date: 08:06:20 01/01/98
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On December 31, 1997 at 14:16:24, Ed Schröder wrote: >>Posted by Chris Whittington on December 31, 1997 at 12:29:43: > >>And, finally, that the whole of the many threads on CCC have been >>basically saying "Mchess bad guys, Mchess really is weaker than SSDF >>suggests". I object. I will carry on objecting. You can try and get the >>moderators to censor me, but I still object. I see it as unfair, >>unreasonable and unpleasant; and worse, as apart of a pattern of >>mob-ideology, ostracism and kicking of the weak which started with RT, >>went on to KK, and now targets Mchess. And if I make myself thoroughly >>unpopular fighting it, then so be it. > First you try censorship ..... Then resort to rudeness ...... >Blah blah blah... Incidentally snipping away an entire alternative explanation for the Mchess SSDF results. Not answering it. > >Sure, put the stamp victim on your head. You were the one who tried the censors. >Strong argument.... Yup, you gave it me. Thanks. > >You refer a personal opinion of Jeroen to a "campaign" and you sit on >it and made a big topic. With argument. With data. 6 times repeat and last years example to make a pattern ........ > >That's the whole story here. No, just part of it, Ed. You know that. > >Personally I fully agree with Jeroen as I have the same "opinion". The >subject was discussed in RGCC 1.5 year ago in detail. Topic "book-cooks" >on which I haven't changed my mind. The subject "book-cooks" since that >time is "solved" using book-learning. So what Jeroen said about Necchi >(although true) is "old uninteresting news" for me. > >Despite of that I expect from Jeroen to remove (fix) *any* anti-Rebel >line found in other chess programs opening books because they are there >and are not limited to one program in particular. So Rebel team will continue with fixing (note morally correct terminology) holes in its book. And Mchess team will carry on cooking (note morally incorrect terminology) its book. Year after year. Can we look forward to Rebel team continuing to 'fix' its book next year, and Mchess team 'cooking' its book next year ? So it'll be Mchess-bad, Rebel-good for 1998, 1999 etc. etc ? Perhaps you'll forgive me for seeing the fixing and cooking as part of the same process. Or then again perhaps you won't. > >IMO Jeroen has every right to talk about this subject. He just like me >and most others here have a passion for chess and computer chess in >particular. If he feels bad about "book-cooking" that doesn't mean he >doesn't like the programs in question. Of course not. This wasn't implied. Please don't set up sandcastles to kick down. >Neither is it justified by you >to imply there is a "campaign" because of an opinion. If that's what it was, then it wouldn't be justified; but this is another of your sandcastles. I suspect campaign for reasons already stated. Same thing happened last year. Six times repetition of the Necchi statement and so on. Once is once, twice is whatever, six times is a campaign. > >You and I (although commercial) in our hearts still are the same as many >other chess programmers reading this message board. We have a passion >for computer chess. That's one of the reasons why our programs are good >and we still continue. We discuss topics here with heart and soul. Fine, but not very meaningful, unless ...... > >It's dirty of you to make advantage of that by implying Jeroen's >opinion is a "campaign" to hurt a commercial opponent and sit on >that statement and make it a big topic. .... you try and set up the famous 'mud on Rebel' defence. Sorry, Ed, but if you try this every time anybody ever makes a critic, it begins to wear a bit thin. Its maybe a big topic because you never responded to any detail, instead you responded each time with counter attacks, hitting the messenger, going for censorship, being rude with blah-blah-blah and so on. Chris Whittington > >- Ed - > > >>Chris Whittington
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