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Subject: Re: Would Gambit Tiger get itself into such a position?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 23:44:43 10/29/00

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On October 29, 2000 at 22:54:34, Uri Blass wrote:

>On October 29, 2000 at 22:05:58, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On October 29, 2000 at 21:18:53, Eelco de Groot wrote:
>>
>>>On October 28, 2000 at 18:35:32, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 28, 2000 at 17:59:23, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>GT did consider Bb7 for about one minute after 7 minutes of thinking on my PII
>>>>>333 with 28 Mb hash.  The analysis was similar to Sarahs' afterward.  The score
>>>>>did remain negative for black however.
>>>>>
>>>>>GT would never "under-develope" to the extent that black did.  The game is a
>>>>>draw even with material superiority due to the horrible back rank situation. At
>>>>>least GT tells us how "not" to play.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Tim Frohlick
>>>>
>>>>I posted the game.
>>>>I do not know if gambit would get itself to the position that I posted(I think
>>>>that bxc5 was too greedy and Ba6 was better but I did not analyze the game for a
>>>>long time and I may be wrong).
>>>>
>>>>You can try to see if there is a move in the game that gambit does not like.
>>>>
>>>>I see that gambit understands the position better than other programs(it can at
>>>>least see that f6 has negative score)
>>>>
>>>>It cannot see that Bb7 is good enough for black to draw but I am not sure if Bb7
>>>>is really good enough for a draw(I only know that it was probably good enough
>>>>for moshe to draw and it is possible that gambit can improve the opponent's
>>>>moves after Bb7)
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>Hi Uri,
>>>
>>>Maybe Tim is right and the game should be a draw. What I would like to see is a
>>>good winning line for White after 14. .. f7-f6 or 14. ..f7-f5, that could tell
>>>us more.
>>
>>Here is a winning line after 14...f5
>>
>>15.Bh6 f4 16.Ng5 Nb6 17.Bxg7 Kxg7 18.Rh7+ Kg8 19.Ke2
>>
>>
>>I did not see a clear winning line after 14...f6 but I guess that I did not
>>analyze deep enough and unfortunately moshe did not save all the analysis that
>>he did but he is convinced that 14...f6 is losing.
>>
>>I see that I do not like black's position after 14...f6 because black has
>>problems to develop the pieces and white has interesting options after 15.Bh6
>>Qe7 16.Bxg7 Kxg7
>
>I think that the main line here continues
>17.Qh6+ Kf7 18.Nh4 Rg8 19.Qh7+Rg7 20.Nxg6 Rxh7 21.Rxh7+ Kxg6 22.Rxe7 cxd4
>23.Bd3+ Kg5 24.Be4 c6 25.g3 fxe5 26.Rxe6 Nf6 27.Rxe5+ Kh6 28.Rc1 when white is
>probably winning after 28...Nxe4 29.Rxe4 or 28...Bb7 29.Re7 Nxe4 30.Rxe4
>
>This is one of the lines that moshe saved.

I think that in this line better is 18.0-0-0 instead of 18.Nh4
At least I can get bigger advantage against the computer but I need to check if
it is a forced win(18.0-0-0 was also one of the lines of moshe).

Uri



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