Author: Uri Blass
Date: 10:53:03 10/30/00
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On October 30, 2000 at 02:44:43, Uri Blass wrote: >On October 29, 2000 at 22:54:34, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On October 29, 2000 at 22:05:58, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On October 29, 2000 at 21:18:53, Eelco de Groot wrote: >>> >>>>On October 28, 2000 at 18:35:32, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 28, 2000 at 17:59:23, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>GT did consider Bb7 for about one minute after 7 minutes of thinking on my PII >>>>>>333 with 28 Mb hash. The analysis was similar to Sarahs' afterward. The score >>>>>>did remain negative for black however. >>>>>> >>>>>>GT would never "under-develope" to the extent that black did. The game is a >>>>>>draw even with material superiority due to the horrible back rank situation. At >>>>>>least GT tells us how "not" to play. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Tim Frohlick >>>>> >>>>>I posted the game. >>>>>I do not know if gambit would get itself to the position that I posted(I think >>>>>that bxc5 was too greedy and Ba6 was better but I did not analyze the game for a >>>>>long time and I may be wrong). >>>>> >>>>>You can try to see if there is a move in the game that gambit does not like. >>>>> >>>>>I see that gambit understands the position better than other programs(it can at >>>>>least see that f6 has negative score) >>>>> >>>>>It cannot see that Bb7 is good enough for black to draw but I am not sure if Bb7 >>>>>is really good enough for a draw(I only know that it was probably good enough >>>>>for moshe to draw and it is possible that gambit can improve the opponent's >>>>>moves after Bb7) >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>Hi Uri, >>>> >>>>Maybe Tim is right and the game should be a draw. What I would like to see is a >>>>good winning line for White after 14. .. f7-f6 or 14. ..f7-f5, that could tell >>>>us more. >>> >>>Here is a winning line after 14...f5 >>> >>>15.Bh6 f4 16.Ng5 Nb6 17.Bxg7 Kxg7 18.Rh7+ Kg8 19.Ke2 >>> >>> >>>I did not see a clear winning line after 14...f6 but I guess that I did not >>>analyze deep enough and unfortunately moshe did not save all the analysis that >>>he did but he is convinced that 14...f6 is losing. >>> >>>I see that I do not like black's position after 14...f6 because black has >>>problems to develop the pieces and white has interesting options after 15.Bh6 >>>Qe7 16.Bxg7 Kxg7 >> >>I think that the main line here continues >>17.Qh6+ Kf7 18.Nh4 Rg8 19.Qh7+Rg7 20.Nxg6 Rxh7 21.Rxh7+ Kxg6 22.Rxe7 cxd4 >>23.Bd3+ Kg5 24.Be4 c6 25.g3 fxe5 26.Rxe6 Nf6 27.Rxe5+ Kh6 28.Rc1 when white is >>probably winning after 28...Nxe4 29.Rxe4 or 28...Bb7 29.Re7 Nxe4 30.Rxe4 >> >>This is one of the lines that moshe saved. > >I think that in this line better is 18.0-0-0 instead of 18.Nh4 >At least I can get bigger advantage against the computer but I need to check if >it is a forced win(18.0-0-0 was also one of the lines of moshe). > >Uri I talked with moshe in the phone and asked him if 18.0-0-0 was the move. He told me that he does not remember if it was in move 18 but 0-0-0 was in the main line that proved that white is winning so it seems that Nh4 is not the most convincing move for white. Uri
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