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Subject: Yes, perhaps Re: A test position about perpetual check(Junior-Insomniac)

Author: Brian Richardson

Date: 06:13:23 11/05/00

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On November 04, 2000 at 22:51:34, Uri Blass wrote:

>[D]Q3b3/3k1p2/4p2P/3pP3/1q6/8/Q5K1/8 b - - 0 1
>
>I believe that in this position black can force perpetual check by Qe4+
>
>How much time do chess programs need to see the perpetual check(I did not prove
>that there is a perpetual check but comp-comp games from this position ended in
>a draw).
><snip>

Not sure if this is suboptimal for black or not, but Tinker thinks the following
is a draw, given the assumed line shown:

force
qe4 {your suggestion, and then Tinker's preferred moves when only searched to
fairly shallow depths, e.g., less than 1 minute each}
kf1
qh1
ke2
qh2
{and then}
go
ply    score   time     nodes  pv
  6      611   0.83    225534  3.  e2d1  h2h1  4.  d1c2  h1e4  5.  c2d2  e4f4
                               6.  d2d1  f4f1  7.  d1c2  f1f5  8.  c2c3  d7e7
  6->    611   1.69    465902  3.  e2d1  h2h1  4.  d1c2  h1e4  5.  c2d2  e4f4
                               6.  d2d1  f4f1  7.  d1c2  f1f5  8.  c2c3  d7e7
  7      611   1.81    500816  3.  e2d1  h2h1
  7->    611   2.28    625518  3.  e2d1  h2h1
  8      472   6.92   1980594  3.  e2d1  h2h1  4.  d1c2  h1e4  5.  c2d2  e4f4
                               6.  d2d1  f4f1  7.  d1c2  f1f2  8.  c2c3  f2e3
                               9.  c3b4  e3e1  10.  b4c5
  8->    472  35.28  10308022  3.  e2d1  h2h1  4.  d1c2  d1c2  5.  c2d2  e4f4
                               6.  d2d1  f4f1  7.  d1c2  f1f2  8.  c2c3  f2e3
                               9.  c3b4  e3e1  10.  b4c5
  9      472  37.24  10870972  3.  e2d1  h2h1
  9->    472  37.25  10870982  3.  e2d1  h2h1
 10        0   1:46  34084265  3.  e2d1  h2h1  4.  d1c2  h1e4  5.  c2d2  e4f4
                               6.  d2d1  f4f1  7.  d1c2  f1f2  8.  c2c3  f2e3
                               9.  c3b4  e3b6  10.  b4c3  b6e3
 10->      0   2:54  56649987  3.  e2d1  h2h1  4.  d1c2  h1e4  5.  c2d2  e4f4
                               6.  d2d1  f4f1  7.  d1c2  f1f2  8.  c2c3  d5d4
                               9.  e3g5  e3b6  10.  b4c3  b6e3
 11        0   3:30  68681697  3.  e2d1  h2h1
 11->      0   3:30  68681707  3.  e2d1  h2h1

Brian



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