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Subject: Re: Is shredder 5 the strongest program available?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 05:26:01 11/07/00

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On November 07, 2000 at 08:22:07, walter irvin wrote:

>On November 07, 2000 at 05:27:39, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote:
>
>>On November 07, 2000 at 03:34:11, Marcus Kaestner wrote:
>>
>>>On November 07, 2000 at 00:43:01, Harald Faber wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 06, 2000 at 17:01:38, john rice wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>This is the word i'm getting from icd info (+100elo over fritz6a). What do you
>>>>>think?
>>>>>Thanks in advance
>>>>
>>>>It might be stronger than Fritz6a, but certainly not 100 or more pts. But it is
>>>>not the stronghest program available IMO, Tiger and Century are at least equal.
>>>>(and much cheaper :-))
>>>
>>>he is strong, but far away to be the strongest. gambit tiger scores nearly 60%
>>>against that shredder.
>>>
>>>marcus
>>
>>OK, I guess I have to make a FAQ for it:
>>
>>The last Shredder version Marcus Kästner got was Shredder 4.16 from June, but
>>even this version is no longer running legally since about August because of a
>>time bomb.
>>
>>So Marcus Kästner could have tested this version against other programs of that
>>time. If I understood Christophe right there was no Gambit Tiger available at
>>this time.
>>
>>Gambit Tiger and the new Rebel are problably very strong and I would like to see
>>results of Shredder against this programs, but unforunately this is not yet
>>possible for me or somebody else.
>>
>>If Tiger and/or Rebel are stronger that Shredder5 I certainly wouldn't be very
>>happy but I could live with that, but right now there is nobody who can give us
>>any hint concerning this.
>>
>>I don't thing that Tiger and/or Rebel need faked test results to proof their
>>strength.
>>
>>Stefan (author of Shredder)
>
>no chess collection could possibly be complete without shredder.myself i plan on
>getting both rebel and shredder .but i still wonder what your secret is ,what do
>you know that keeps you winning championship after championship .are you just
>better prepared vs other programs or is shredder that much stronger .if shredder
>is that much stronger then it must be over 200 elo stronger or more to factor
>out the chance factor .to me the chance factor is that the strongest program on
>any given day may not win .but if one program is strong enough then luck is no
>longer a factor .i mean if deep blue played compu-wimp  there is 100% chance
>deep blue will win.

I disagree.
I think that there are chances for other programs to beat deeper blue.

Uri



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